Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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# 81
04-21-2010, 04:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZootCadillac
Of course I'm stuck up. my neighbours are all premiership footballers.

I think you misinterpret what I said. I did not offer a black and white that the game is bad, I must be right and those that can't see it are mad and wrong. I was clear to point out that there is no right and wrong. There are plenty of people like you who are willing to acknowledge the problems. You'll notice I did not mention you and your like.

I mentioned those that will not accept that there are problems and are persistent in their opinion that the game is without flaw.

It's very rude to say things insulting about a person on the internet. Especially when you can be very sure you would not say it to their face.
I don't agree with being insulting to anyone, online or in person. However, I am one that if I do it online, I will not hesitate to do it in person.
I don't think this is the type of situation that would call for anyone to get upset about anything though. But some people take their gaming very seriously I guess and I do tend to be one of the more vocal and blunt speaking people around. For that, I have had 1 or 2 nimrods try to flame me for it. They were weak, sad attempts that were easy to deal with but still.

I am very sure I cancelled my sub for many of the same reason so many others did and maybe a few different ones. I also don't see anything that they can do to fix the game based on the current direction they are going so I don't hold out any hope for that and honestly don't expect the game to survive. I don't say that as a "cryptic hater" or anything else, just a very honest impression as someone that played it and as someone that knows so many people in real life that dropped it for all the same reason. Those reasons I believe, are ones that will never get fixed and will prevent the game from holding on to people that pay on a month by month basis.
There is no need to go in to all of those reasons because from looking at the current direction the intent the devs have is obvious so I don't see any suggestions to the contrary as being helpful at this stage.
I don't know if my forum account dies when my game account does but on the 6th of May my game account goes dark and it would have been the 6th of this month but I needed until the 8th to max out my Klingon so I had to keep it going another month to get that 2 days.
But at least I can say I gave it an honest chance. I maxed then deleted one Fed, then maxxed another that I kept, then a Klingon. They each have 3-5 T5 ships, all maxxed with all MK-X gear as well as all of my BOffs and away teams. I did all of that in 2 months of casual play.
I did not do the STFs past Infected because I honestly think they suck as they are. I do think they would have been great had they been made as single captain missions with away team, altered to be doable that way. That would be what a true mission should be like along with putting some better rewards in it and then I could actually use my fancy away team for something other than the dull missions they have now that you can do in your sleep. Coming out with a few of those a month might have been enough to keep people if they also removed the skillcap and put an end to the nerfs.
Lt. Commander
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# 82
04-26-2010, 10:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leprech View Post
Sorry in advance for the wall of text.

Not a great forum poster and usually lurk and check in about once a week. I'm a casual gamer and a ST fan and like many others, haven't been playing STO recently. Just thought I'd give a few reasons and my opinions about the state of the game with relation to me directly and hope it strikes a chord with other players and at least gets a viewing by someone at Crytic or someone on the advisory council.

The forums are too full of negativity, and while a lot of it is understandable and I empathise, I really couldn't care less about about posting here regularly and subjecting myself to trolls and abuse.

I purchased lifetime membership, like many others, as a act of faith, my friends did not. None of us are playing regularly now, and my friends have not renewed their subscriptions. We, however, have not quit the game. We enjoyed the experience until RA, and now there is nothing for us to do. We have not left the game, we are simply waiting for new content, and doing other things with our time.

That the game lacks content and endgame activities is not a shock to anyone, but even the new content being added in the form of Fleet Actions and STFs are to a casual gamer like myself, a complete waste of time. They seem to be nothing more than time-sinks and completely inaccessable to my prefered style of gaming. I'm not a fleet player, I don't use vent for STO. STFs ,if I want to do them, require teaming up with a bunch of random strangers and wasting hours in a meaningless grind that more often than not, ends in failure with players rage quitting during the mission. I enjoy PvE, and mmo's like STO, Guildwars and Airrivals, is where I like to hang out when I'm in a casual mood. When I want to PvP, I play FPS games.

I'm not saying that I don't see myself playing PvP in STO, but as one of the previously silent majority and someone who is no longer active in the game, I don't want people suggesting that my absence and the drop off in player numbers is evidence that I and others have quit the game. From my own point of view and those of my friends, we're in hiatus, waiting to come back for something substantial, we haven't quit.

C-store items, inaccessable STFs and bug fixes are being called new content, but to what I suspect is the silent majority, it is not enough to warrant logging in, and doing, and redoing, the same grind like missions day after day after day.

I am happy with my gear. I have no need to go out and grind to get better equipment. I have better things to be doing with my time than repeating the same 3-4 missions. I like PvE, and I like to solo 90% of the time, and there has been no new content for players like me. The new STF content has been aimed at the hardcore fleet players, not the casual gamer. Therefore, I'm not active ... not retired!

I think you have a beautiful looking game on your hands Crytic. I found it enjoyable while I was aiming for RA and there was a sense of achievement. I know that you are working hard on providing new content. I still have faith that you can pull this off and take us places and into situations that are unique and exciting. I'm just asking you to please remember that in your rush to satisfy the need for new content, that you remember the casual players and the reasons we purchased and subscribed in the first place.

The game I played during beta and after release didn't have STFs and the ones you've released so far are not bringing casual gamers back. Please consider making these and future STFs a single/multi player option and let us enjoy the new content as episodes, and I promise that I'll log right back in to enjoy them and any other new content you have to offer us.
I don't believe you will get what you want. They can't even keep their word to customers. If you played STO for maybe 50 hours, you definitely would encounter just about everything other account holders are complaining about. Just touching on a few issues: The game is not balanced. The game has bugs they cannot seem to be able to correct. There are no ship interiors. there is a particularly nasty bug that randomly give a player ALL skills and powers and they don't know how to fix it, so they will not talk about it. In fact, I overheard my son being threatened if he tried to clarify the bug anyplace on the forum. Why has the bug become a taboo issue? - I mean that everyone should benefit from a better understanding of it. Given my background in coding, I highly suspect - I said suspect, that STO is a mere re-wrap on the Heroes engine and the Heroes engine does not appear powerful enough to give us what they said we would get. There is no way this game was remotely ready to be released in February. I just never imagined these developers would screw up a potential money maker of this magnitude - they didn't just kick us, they cut the head off of the goose that laid golden eggs - they are now laying rotten eggs, so to speak. Because of conduct and trickery, there may never again be a good Star Trek PC Game. CBS will pull the license and lock it away in a wink, as soon as this dirties them and that will be when the all the threatened lawsuits touch them. And because there are so many disgruntled customers, it will likely be made class action. These are my carefully thought out comments including opinions and the rational for same. I have tried to address difficult issues with honesty and have found it very hard to be respectful of a outfit that has disrespected so many nice people. The proof in the pudding is to have played STO since it was in beta (and it worked better in beta than it does now). This is one of the very reasons I believe that STO is a re-wrap of Heroes using the Heroes engine with textures and features reduced to a minimum so the engine can handle it, but even so, it often crashes except when very few are actively online. It doesn't allow some players to finish missions. (read all of this on forums). It doesn't give items, credits and points it is suppose to give for completing a mission. It has a bug that randomly gives GM powers and skills and they haven't fixed it yet (I don't think they can fix it cause they have known about it since before we knew of it). (read all of this on forums). and its not fixed. I recently ran into a group bragging of having over 500 members that want their money back. . and we have 60 members wanting their money refunded. I do not think this is some conspiracy on the Trekkie' part. It seems to be the developer that has caused this. What ever happened to the "two new servers" they said they bought and then said the servers didn't work - you believe that nonsense? Yah, I was wrong to not investigate these guys but we all so much wanted a new star trek game --- but not this thing they call a PC game - it's worse than Microsoft was. I feel conned.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 83
04-27-2010, 12:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by popa
I don't believe you will get what you want. They can't even keep their word to customers. If you played STO for maybe 50 hours, you definitely would encounter just about everything other account holders are complaining about. Just touching on a few issues: The game is not balanced. The game has bugs they cannot seem to be able to correct. There are no ship interiors. there is a particularly nasty bug that randomly give a player ALL skills and powers and they don't know how to fix it, so they will not talk about it. In fact, I overheard my son being threatened if he tried to clarify the bug anyplace on the forum. Why has the bug become a taboo issue? - I mean that everyone should benefit from a better understanding of it. Given my background in coding, I highly suspect - I said suspect, that STO is a mere re-wrap on the Heroes engine and the Heroes engine does not appear powerful enough to give us what they said we would get. There is no way this game was remotely ready to be released in February. I just never imagined these developers would screw up a potential money maker of this magnitude - they didn't just kick us, they cut the head off of the goose that laid golden eggs - they are now laying rotten eggs, so to speak. Because of conduct and trickery, there may never again be a good Star Trek PC Game. CBS will pull the license and lock it away in a wink, as soon as this dirties them and that will be when the all the threatened lawsuits touch them. And because there are so many disgruntled customers, it will likely be made class action. These are my carefully thought out comments including opinions and the rational for same. I have tried to address difficult issues with honesty and have found it very hard to be respectful of a outfit that has disrespected so many nice people. The proof in the pudding is to have played STO since it was in beta (and it worked better in beta than it does now). This is one of the very reasons I believe that STO is a re-wrap of Heroes using the Heroes engine with textures and features reduced to a minimum so the engine can handle it, but even so, it often crashes except when very few are actively online. It doesn't allow some players to finish missions. (read all of this on forums). It doesn't give items, credits and points it is suppose to give for completing a mission. It has a bug that randomly gives GM powers and skills and they haven't fixed it yet (I don't think they can fix it cause they have known about it since before we knew of it). (read all of this on forums). and its not fixed. I recently ran into a group bragging of having over 500 members that want their money back. . and we have 60 members wanting their money refunded. I do not think this is some conspiracy on the Trekkie' part. It seems to be the developer that has caused this. What ever happened to the "two new servers" they said they bought and then said the servers didn't work - you believe that nonsense? Yah, I was wrong to not investigate these guys but we all so much wanted a new star trek game --- but not this thing they call a PC game - it's worse than Microsoft was. I feel conned.

Now OP. This is a Classic example of a Wall Of Text. Just thought I would let you know for future reference.
Lt. Commander
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# 84
04-27-2010, 12:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by popa
I don't believe you will get what you want. They can't even keep their word to customers. If you played STO for maybe 50 hours, you definitely would encounter just about everything other account holders are complaining about. Just touching on a few issues: The game is not balanced. The game has bugs they cannot seem to be able to correct. There are no ship interiors. there is a particularly nasty bug that randomly give a player ALL skills and powers and they don't know how to fix it, so they will not talk about it. In fact, I overheard my son being threatened if he tried to clarify the bug anyplace on the forum. Why has the bug become a taboo issue? - I mean that everyone should benefit from a better understanding of it. Given my background in coding, I highly suspect - I said suspect, that STO is a mere re-wrap on the Heroes engine and the Heroes engine does not appear powerful enough to give us what they said we would get. There is no way this game was remotely ready to be released in February. I just never imagined these developers would screw up a potential money maker of this magnitude - they didn't just kick us, they cut the head off of the goose that laid golden eggs - they are now laying rotten eggs, so to speak. Because of conduct and trickery, there may never again be a good Star Trek PC Game. CBS will pull the license and lock it away in a wink, as soon as this dirties them and that will be when the all the threatened lawsuits touch them. And because there are so many disgruntled customers, it will likely be made class action. These are my carefully thought out comments including opinions and the rational for same. I have tried to address difficult issues with honesty and have found it very hard to be respectful of a outfit that has disrespected so many nice people. The proof in the pudding is to have played STO since it was in beta (and it worked better in beta than it does now). This is one of the very reasons I believe that STO is a re-wrap of Heroes using the Heroes engine with textures and features reduced to a minimum so the engine can handle it, but even so, it often crashes except when very few are actively online. It doesn't allow some players to finish missions. (read all of this on forums). It doesn't give items, credits and points it is suppose to give for completing a mission. It has a bug that randomly gives GM powers and skills and they haven't fixed it yet (I don't think they can fix it cause they have known about it since before we knew of it). (read all of this on forums). and its not fixed. I recently ran into a group bragging of having over 500 members that want their money back. . and we have 60 members wanting their money refunded. I do not think this is some conspiracy on the Trekkie' part. It seems to be the developer that has caused this. What ever happened to the "two new servers" they said they bought and then said the servers didn't work - you believe that nonsense? Yah, I was wrong to not investigate these guys but we all so much wanted a new star trek game --- but not this thing they call a PC game - it's worse than Microsoft was. I feel conned.

Now OP. This is a Classic example of a Wall Of Text. Just thought I would let you know for future reference.
Lt. Commander
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# 85
04-27-2010, 01:01 AM
I think a lot of people had their expectations way to high for STO. I completely understand about a MMO not meeting your expectations and letting you down. I had this happen. I waited for a year on a MMO to be released it was nothing close to what I hoped for. So I don't really expect much from them now.

I have played at the launch of five MMO's. I can tell you I have seen worse. I have played one that you could cap in a week of game play. With no end game but a raid you could do every two days. With bad loot. I have been in others with many more problems.

I know that there needs to be a lot more content and there are problems in the game. I do how ever think a lot of people are being overly critical. On STO for what all MMO's are Repetition. Their combat systems are always the same. From beginning to endgame. You just get more abilities as you progress. You are always doing the same thing in them. PVE, PVP dungeons or raids. They are never a new game every two days.

Out of the ten MMO's I have played. I have never played a linear MMO. They all have the same basic quests. Report to this location, Kill this many mobs, Scout this location, Gather these materials, Escort this NPC or kill this mob for this item. Those quest lines are the only thing most of them offer. Their are some great quest lines in STO.

Most don't offer two different styles of game play. Instant action like fleet actions. The speical task force missions. The customization of how to play your ships. Or the ground game with command able NPC away teams. You can set up your bridge officer for a specific ship. Or specific task just for ground or space. Not to mention to customize their race and appearance how ever you like. Plus good graphics with nice looking character models and environments.

I know STO is light on content right now. If it's to much to ask of you to wait. You should take a break. Look around for a game with the options. That are offered here. Content can always be added. They are doing it every few weeks and I have never seen that done before. In other MMO's steadily.

I had no expectations for STO when I found it. I was surprised what it offered. I never thought I would like as much as I did. I can over look the lack of content and the problems. For what this game can be.
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# 86
04-27-2010, 01:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leprech View Post
That the game lacks content and endgame activities is not a shock to anyone, but even the new content being added in the form of Fleet Actions and STFs are to a casual gamer like myself, a complete waste of time. They seem to be nothing more than time-sinks and completely inaccessable to my prefered style of gaming. I'm not a fleet player, I don't use vent for STO. STFs ,if I want to do them, require teaming up with a bunch of random strangers and wasting hours in a meaningless grind that more often than not, ends in failure with players rage quitting during the mission. I enjoy PvE, and mmo's like STO, Guildwars and Airrivals, is where I like to hang out when I'm in a casual mood. When I want to PvP, I play FPS games.
Reading this i really wonder what other MMORPGs you have played, and what you did there when you reached the endgame there. From all MMORPGs i played in the last 10 years i don't know one where endgame wasn't group or raid-content. At one point in the whole game-progression of all MMORPGs there is no solo content anymore that isn't pure grinding. And it is simple to understand why .. because no developer-team on the whole planet is able to produce so much new and fresh content to enterntain their playerbase without repeatable / grind content. Content in any MMORPG grows with time and is never there at release in the amount the players think it should.

It is allways the same with every new MMORPG .. ppl await to much from a fresh released MMORPG even though they should have known better.

On one hand many many players come onto the forums and demand more team-content, as Cryptic implements team content other players come onto the forums and complain that there is not enough solo content in the endgame and that all solo content there is grinding .. anyone demands the content he/she likes to see without any patience and even though they have should known better because they all think they are experienced MMORPG players.
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# 87
04-27-2010, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Englebert
I had no expectations for STO when I found it. I was surprised what it offered. I never thought I would like as much as I did.
Funny, because it was the same to me. I never wanted to play STO, i didn't use the beta acces i had due to Champions Online LTS. And now it is my favourite game.

One thing i do not agree with is that some ppl say it is a generic MMO and it only depends on the Star Trek Theme. I don't think so .. as every single Cryptic MMORPG it is very different from other MMOs in gameplay aspects and gameplay features. Thats what i really like. The Star Trek theme for sure is another great bonus that makes the game interesting and appealing.
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# 88
04-27-2010, 01:51 AM
Lifer here, I rarely log on as well. Bored at the moment. Hopefully they can kick it up a few notches soon. Starting to kick myself for my investment. Only time will tell, but my time wanting to play has become little.
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