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Lt. Commander
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# 41
05-03-2010, 10:02 PM
The game is incomplete and has very little content, There is barely anything to do at RA 5 and what there is, is very repetitive. Loot is boring the only cool itmes cryptic creates is c store, preorder, and special promotions and i am sick of this. IMO bridges ships skins this new all good things ship along with every other bonus should all be unlockable in game, Some should be a lot harder then other but they should all be things to achieve but unfortunatetly all crpytic wants is are money and not to produce a good game. This all good things ship is the most blant of all, recruit 5 people who all buy the game i think 20 dollars is min now and then 1 month each so lets see price per ship is 175 dollars lol
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# 42
05-03-2010, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shikamaru317 View Post
You can call it whining if you like, but promoting jealousy is a bad idea. That green little monster known as envy can wreak some severe havoc when it feels like it. You would really regret seeing the entire first page of the forums filled with complaints from players that are being forced to wait for a reward that was unlocked only for an elite group of players.
I'd disagree with this, too. There should be things that not everyone can get. There should be things that cause people to at least stop to wonder about the value vs. money spent. That's why special editions are so popular. For some, the extras aren't worth the cost. For others, they are. People really need to get over their "I must have everything" mentality, unless they're willing to take the steps required to actually get everything.
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# 43
05-03-2010, 10:10 PM
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I'd disagree with this, too. There should be things that not everyone can get. There should be things that cause people to at least stop to wonder about the value vs. money spent. That's why special editions are so popular. For some, the extras aren't worth the cost. For others, they are. People really need to get over their "I must have everything" mentality, unless they're willing to take the steps required to actually get everything.
Im fine with things not everyone can get but not when they involve real world dollars we alrady pay enough for this unfinished game and all they do is add more and more items that cost money that should be available in the first place.......
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# 44
05-03-2010, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Flato View Post
The game is incomplete and has very little content, There is barely anything to do at RA 5 and what there is, is very repetitive. Loot is boring the only cool itmes cryptic creates is c store, preorder, and special promotions and i am sick of this. IMO bridges ships skins this new all good things ship along with every other bonus should all be unlockable in game, Some should be a lot harder then other but they should all be things to achieve but unfortunatetly all crpytic wants is are money and not to produce a good game.
I have been saying this for WEEKS now. If they had put the new C-store Ships as rewards in some way from STF's (recipe drop that you can craft at memory alpha for example) it would improve the game IMMENSLEY. but they are more concerned with making a quick buck on their c-store.
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# 45
05-03-2010, 10:36 PM
meh, this Galaxy design isnt that great anyways....id say the Excelsior and Ambassador are far more important.
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# 46
05-03-2010, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Intrepidox View Post
Or Cryptic could stop nickle and diming every chance they get and actually come up with legitimate ways to keep players playing their game, like making it an STF reward or something (from the upcoming Terrordome?)

But I suppose that would be considered good game design, and they seem incapable of that.
Turning so much that could be new and interesting into marketing gimmicks is beginning to **** me off beyong the capacity for rational thought.
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# 47
05-03-2010, 10:58 PM
First, I think the 3-nacelle designs (and most of the Cryptic ship designs) are horrible.

Intrepdiox and Flato, I agree with both of you. It's utterly amazing how much money people seem willing to throw at this game rather than take a little time to earn it in-game. For all of you who complained about raids and who made all of those cute little quips about what they can do with raids, that's how a lot of other people feel about all of the items going into the C-store or being tacked on to things like the RAF promotion. Do I need or want every little item in the game? No, not even close, but I am willing to spend time in-game to earn what I want since I don't think it's fair to pay a subscription and something extra for items that a lot of P2P MMOs include in their games as part of the monthly fee.

Seriously Cryptic, add all of this C-store garbage as STF rewards or other mission/FA rewards and watch your retention double instantly. While there will always be the people who don't mind being taken advantage of to buy from the C-store, there are also a lot of people paying $15/month who will stay in just to earn that one item they really want but don't want to pay extra for and then they will repeat that again for the next item.

Kinda makes you wonder which Cryptic is more interested in: $2.00 now or $15.00 month-to-month.
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# 48
05-03-2010, 11:01 PM
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grow up. the only "trolls" here are you and that other guy.
I most certainly am not a troll. A troll is someone who purposefully posts an inflammatory message just to get others riled up. I, on the other hand, posted a legitimate concern of many players, and was very civil in my discussion of the issue at hand. Far from trolling I'm afraid.

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Once again, I find myself agreeing overwhelmingly with Shikamaru. This time I'm a little fired up because it seems like Cryptic/Atari go to great lengths to figure out what stuff Trekkers want most and then attach strings to them and say "Dance for us and jump through these hoops if you want them." Always in an effort to garner more box sales, which is all this is. Its another money grab. Every time Cryptic/Atari does it, some marketing person shows up confused about why we would *ever* think that. I feel so stupid for having bought into their spin before. I used to think they were just new, that they didn't really know how whatever it was they were screwing up before could be perceived negatively. Now, I think perhaps Cryptic/Atari really does think we are that stupid.

Just wait, in a day or so, when they have had time to properly spin this issue someone like Rekhan will show up, with an official announcement apologizing that we yet again misunderstood the most benevolent of intentions of Cryptic/Atari. Look more closlier and you will see the word "special" instead of "exclusive" and that means we fully intend to let everyone have access to it via the C-Store when CBS/Paramount/Viacom (or any other entity that they want to blame it on this time) will allow them but that they had a contractual obligation of some sort.

Behavior like this is why I canceled my account. Just be upfront with your customers, most of us would gladly pay a premium price for a really well designed canon vessel if you put it on the C-Store instead of this crap where you try to trick people into getting you more box sales and subs.
I wouldn't exactly say that it is a nefarious plot to sell boxes. Sure, they are trying to increase the subscription rate by getting players friends to subscribe, but I think they see the AGT Galaxy as an incentive to get people to pitch the game better to their friends, as opposed to a device specifically for getting players to buy 5 box copies and 5 subscriptions just to get the ship. It seems to be an unintentional bi product of what would have been a good plan to get subscription rates up.

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I'd disagree with this, too. There should be things that not everyone can get. There should be things that cause people to at least stop to wonder about the value vs. money spent. That's why special editions are so popular. For some, the extras aren't worth the cost. For others, they are. People really need to get over their "I must have everything" mentality, unless they're willing to take the steps required to actually get everything.
I would agree that some difficult to obtain items should make people way the pros and the cons, and make people decide if it is worth it, but I disagree that any item should only be made available through one avenue, since that particular avenue may be impossible for some players to go down. Items should be hard to obtain, but not impossible.

Cryptic's error here seems to be an unintentional by product of them thinking that players would still be able to find 5 friends. The problem is that many players don't even have 5 friends that like Star Trek.

Players have been begging for more canon ship variants since launch. Though they originally stated that they were in talks with CBS to license more canon ships for Season 2, those plans were apparently put on hold (as there is nothing about it in the Season 2 section of the latest Engineering Report). So many players were excited when dstahl said a new canon ship variant would be made available through the rewards/referral system, but I suppose many of us though we would only need to refer one friend to unlock it, I know I did. No we find out that it will take 5 referrals to unlock it.

So they're taking something that players have been begging for since release, a new canon ship, and they're making it available to only a small number of players. It's even worse than the blue name fiasco. At least the blue name fiasco wasn't caused by the devs and was caused by certain lifers lauding there titles over other players. I could deal with that since the devs didn't have a hand in it, but this is directly caused by the devs, and will likely cause the same negative backlash.

Now I don't want this to become a riot like the salegate fiasco, and I may have been extreme in saying I'd quit over it. It was a brash statement, and I doubt this will cause me to quit, but I don't want to see this ship become an item only an elite group of players can obtains. As I said before, we do not need a recurrence of the blue name fiasco, with this elite group lauding the ship over other players.
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# 49
05-03-2010, 11:07 PM
im going to go out on a limb and say i would prefer the holographic BO over the ship....lol

just a truth....
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# 50
05-03-2010, 11:09 PM
I see no difference in the "All Good Things Enterprise" and the Classic Original Enterprise offered from Gamestop. Both are special offers, are not just handed to everyone, and are iconic starships that every Trek fan covets.

Now we know Cryptic's exclusives don't have a very long shelf-life so I imagine within a year it will be available in the C-Store for those who have not yet gotten it. I really think we all need to get over our feelings of entitlement and either play the game or find something more suitable to our needs.
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