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Lt. Commander
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# 551
05-06-2010, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
Would someone mind showing me where the "demand" was for this ship? I don't think anyone would blink if it was never offered but that the source of a lot of these complaints is that something exists that most of us can't have.

I swear I was the only one I saw asking for it back in Beta and everyone kept shooting me down, saying it was ugly, that three nacelles violated Gene Roddenberry's vision, that it was from an alternate reality, etc.

And do most people even fly Cruisers, regardless of how cool they are?
Well, even if it magically appeared in my inventory I still probably wouldn't trade my space whale for it.

That said, I don't care who wants it or who thinks it's a POS, it's being presented as mechanically rather than cosmetically distinct and needs to be earnable in-game other than only through forking over cash. Had there not been the continual blandishments that STO would not become an pay-for-power cash shop MMO and the positive precedent set with CO's C-store (precedent that STO has thus far trampled over and tarnished), I wouldn't have gotten my LTS.
Lt. Commander
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# 552
05-06-2010, 04:43 AM
I'd fly it just to prove I have five friends.
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# 553
05-06-2010, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by squidheadjax View Post
Well, even if it magically appeared in my inventory I still probably wouldn't trade my space whale for it.

That said, I don't care who wants it or who thinks it's a POS, it's being presented as mechanically rather than cosmetically distinct and needs to be earnable in-game other than only through forking over cash. Had there not been the continual blandishments that STO would not become an pay-for-power cash shop MMO and the positive precedent set with CO's C-store (precedent that STO has thus far trampled over and tarnished), I wouldn't have gotten my LTS.
Just a thought but if it is functionally identical to the 5.5 Defiant then what's the issue?

I mean, the new Defiant likely has a cloak, a canon and a better turn rate than the established Galaxy so just make this thing a Galaxy skinned Tier 5.5 escort and you have a ship that would simultaneously be more popular/usable (even non-Escort users tend to stock escorts, don't they?) and something that also isn't mechanically unique in any way.
Lt. Commander
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# 554
05-06-2010, 04:49 AM
So Starfleet has over 130 different ships before C-Store items, with about 4 or 5 additional ships being added via C-Store, and Klingons have a whoping 29 different ships, none of which are unique or special in anyway. 130+ vs 29, and you're STILL adding more Fed ships?

So instead of giving Klingons an additional ship as a reward, they give ANOTHER ship to starfleet? Tell me, how is that even remotely fair for the players that have stuck with the Klingon faction even despite the amount of insulting lack of enthusiam we have recieved from the dev team?

Seriously, isn't it about time that Cryptic changed its policy on reward content? It should be 1 for 1, or at least a representation of the amount of KDF players and therefore be 3 for 1. If you're adding a reward for Starfleet players, you should be adding an equivelant reward for Klingon players. If you don't have time to add the klingon reward then frankly you should wait on releasing that content until you have made time.

I really cannot believe that Cryptic is continuously shafting a good 1/3 of its playerbase like this with every ******n c-store item and reward.

Considering I, and all other KDF players, have put up with this utterly unbelievably poor dev-player relationship for this long I expect there to be some exceptionaly good reward coming for loyal Klingon players and if there isn't a reward, expect 1/3 of the already dwinderling playerbase to be dropping off. Lets see how well PVP will play out then.

/end_rant.
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# 555
05-06-2010, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
Just a thought but if it is functionally identical to the 5.5 Defiant then what's the issue?

I mean, the new Defiant likely has a cloak, a canon and a better turn rate than the established Galaxy so just make this thing a Galaxy skinned Tier 5.5 escort and you have a ship that would simultaneously be more popular/usable (even non-Escort users tend to stock escorts, don't they?) and something that also isn't mechanically unique in any way.
If that proves to be the case, the issue is dead to me.

dstahl's statements suggest otherwise to me, especially with the simple option to say that on the table rather than skirting the issue.
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# 556
05-06-2010, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
I mean, the new Defiant likely has a cloak
If any Starfleet ship gets given a cloak, then there had better be a Klingon science ship added otherwise PVP will become incredibly unbalanced. Klingons have cloak, Starfleet has science ships - that is the current balance. I see Starfleet players continuously whining about not having a cloak and about how OP it is, but try going into battle vs 2 science ships and you'll see how OP that is.
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# 557
05-06-2010, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by superduper22bw View Post
I'd fly it just to prove I have five friends.
I LOLed a little...
Lt. Commander
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# 558
05-06-2010, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
Would someone mind showing me where the "demand" was for this ship? I don't think anyone would blink if it was never offered but that the source of a lot of these complaints is that something exists that most of us can't have.

I swear I was the only one I saw asking for it back in Beta and everyone kept shooting me down, saying it was ugly, that three nacelles violated Gene Roddenberry's vision, that it was from an alternate reality, etc.

And do most people even fly Cruisers, regardless of how cool they are?
Early on in game development (2008) the community was buzzing about this Enterprise-D variant.
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# 559
05-06-2010, 05:12 AM
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Early on in game development (2008) the community was buzzing about this Enterprise-D variant.
There is also a certain degree of irony in that, for some reason, the devs made a Negh'Var that is more closely modelled on the All Good Things Negh'Var as aposed to the Negh'Var seen in DS9 and in Voyager's End Game episode. The actual proper Negh'Var has two very large weapon pods that hang from beneath the wings at the same point as the warp nacelles, but the All Good Things Negh'Var did not have these at all - low and behold the Negh'Var in game doesn't have them either.

That makes Klingons OP right?
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# 560
05-06-2010, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by vampiric_hoshi View Post
That makes Klingons OP right?
Absolutely :p
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