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# 51
05-12-2010, 08:49 AM
Feds with a battle cloak. Gawwwddd... PvP would become UNBEARABLY long - with all the same 'features' as now.

Current fight progression - Feds group up (hopefully) and wait for the Klinks to uncloak. Usually behind and high. Feds target first uncloaking ship, and let loose. Smarter Feds target first ship, but hold the Alpha strike powers for the *next* one that uncloaks, and turns them to cinders. Strongest team after all the initial 'alpha strke' powers get used up then proceeds to beat the other team to cinders. If klink team looses, - lather rinse repeat same. If Fed team looses - usually devolves into solo and pair combat that winds up with Fed team being trounced.

Fight with Fed battle cloak - Feds fly off in search of klinks, cloaking up. Klinks are cloaked already. So neither side will see each other, unless within a few kilometers. Fly around forever. Someone gets tagged and decloaks. Everyone in area decloaks, seeing if they can get in some 'cheap shots' and pull a win point. If you cannot win - evasive/eng bat/ram speed out of area, cloak up try again. Will see close to 90% or more escorts in PvP, as the only way to really win is burst damage, and get away. Normal Feds will still get trounced routinely, good-team-work Feds will still trounce Klinks routinely, or have an even match.

Some smart Klinks would likely lay a trap, by decloaking a carrier - just waiting for the solo Feds to try to whomp it. Then chew the Feds up one by one when they uselessly decloak -- not remember you have to wait for energy transfer,-- "alpha strike" the carrier. Afterwards, we will see numerous posts on how OP the carrier is, and that the Feds have no equivalent ship.




PvP could certainly use some tweaks. Personal opinion - this is NOT one I want to see.
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# 52
05-13-2010, 08:18 PM
I find the argument that having multiple sides with cloaks will cause PVP to become boring funny.

Are you all going to make similar predictions against Romulans or will all the Romulans and Klingon players only go into PVP against Federation ?
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# 53 Fed cloak is NOT Canon!!!!
05-14-2010, 08:49 AM
Ok I posted the details elsewhere but since it seems to be raging here I shall do so again.
This is not an argument for or against fed cloak (though I am personally against it) but rather a rebuttal to all those saying its canon simply because it has appeared on a show! What you are all doing is NOT saying what happened in the end.

First time Feds get a cloak is when Kirk steals one from the Romulans. Apon reaching Federation territory it is transferred to another ship and when it is tested, that ship dissappears forever - poof gone - No Fed cloak.

All good things is a alternate time line that NEVER actually occured. We know this because present history shows us the Enterprise D was destroyed, hence the Enterprise D we see in that episode never came to be. It was also a POSSIBLE time line created by Q. Where Q is involved nothing is certain. - No Fed Cloak

The U.S.S. Pegasus, was lost in action and yes it was recovered by Enterprise under Picard, end result was they gave the device back to the romulans (ie beaming it in front of their ship) and Admiral Pressman (the guy trying to recover it) was arrested for treaty violations, illegal acts and was court marshalled along with unnamed supporters. - No Fed Cloak

The U.S.S. Defiant was the ONLY federation ship legally allowed to carry one, that device was on loan from the Romulan Star Empire. That Defiant was destroyed along with it's cloak in the second Battle of Chin'Toka, it's replacement the U.S.S. Sa Paolo (later renamed to Defiant) never had a cloaking Device - No Fed Cloak

The U.S.S. Voyager: The Nightingale medical transport craft while operated by members of the voyager was SOMEONE ELSES craft and they kept it! I wasnt a Fed shuttlecraft or Federation property but property of the Kraylor, not the Federation and I don't remember anything about Voyager keeping it. - NO FED CLOAK

So please..STOP STOP STOP calling it Canon..It's NOT!

Quit citing referrences and not citing their end results. The Federation has never been able to stay in possession of cloaking devices or their technology and in current (last updated) storyline did NOT possess it!

Again this is not an argument for or against but to refute all those calling it Canon , WHEN IT IS NOT!

My own personal views are another argument, not in relation here

Just my 2 EC's
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# 54
05-14-2010, 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Sheridan
Sorry puppies... Federation cloaks may just be coming.





Dont like it ?
Dont play Star Trek Online.
yeah? well cheese may start raining from the skies too.
If the fed get cloak (which they won't) then they should only have battle cloak on a science vessel since that is the only thing on par with a bop currently. Escorts (which for some reason I get the feeling you are fond of) should share the same liability that a raptor does.

StarTrek Online is not WoW get used to it. The Fed doesn't need to be like the horde and spoiled like crazy.
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# 55
05-14-2010, 10:03 AM
Want Federation Cloak? Get five friends to subscribe to STO. You have the AGT Galaxy-X with a non-battle cloaking device. There you go, one cloaking device on a Feddie ship.
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# 56
05-14-2010, 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Sheridan
I find the argument that having multiple sides with cloaks will cause PVP to become boring funny.

Are you all going to make similar predictions against Romulans or will all the Romulans and Klingon players only go into PVP against Federation ?
Have you played a klingon? If so have you gone into any kvk? of any kind? hmmm?
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# 57
05-14-2010, 11:44 AM
In K v K it's often either an unsaid agreement to keep cloaks down most of the time or to have a battlecruiser/carrier on each side slowly fly towards each other with their team in tail. I remember playing WoW and doing 2v2 rogue/druid versus rogue/druid. In that case stealth was okay because the arenas were soooo small, but in STO space with current detection ranges... yeah... that wouldn't go so well imo.
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# 58
05-14-2010, 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrasil
Yeah, that worked out pretty well didn't it?

As far as I know, the Defiant was the only Federation ship with a cloaking device, and it was only "legally" operated by a Romulan officer during intelligence gathering missions. Since in STO, the Romulans are "bad guys", it would stand to reason that the cloaking device wouldn't be useable.
The original Defiant was destroyed by the breen along with its cloaking device. The replacement ship Sisko gets called the San Paulo(renamed to defiant) never had a cloak.
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# 59
05-14-2010, 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RStoney View Post
Some smart Klinks would likely lay a trap, by decloaking a carrier



Carriers can not cloak at all
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# 60
05-19-2010, 11:52 AM
this is silly.

*no cloak for feds

*no carrier for feds

*no death stars for feds

it's just WRONG for any of these to be broken k thx
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