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Lt. Commander
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# 131
05-07-2010, 01:48 PM
GM_Destra, will we be able to refer more than 5 people? Currently the system only allows us to invite 5 people and also, can you explain if we are able to invite players who have already played the game, but no longer have active subscriptions please?

Thank you!
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# 132
05-07-2010, 08:42 PM
This whole RAF debacle saddens me. In some largely inexplicable way I feel that there's been a line crossed between we the customers and Atari/Cryptic the people we pay to play the game. I'll try to sum up why I'm bothered by the Galaxy-X being tied to the referral program as best I can.

We pay to access what content there is in the game and even though I've been supportive of the C-Store (both ideologically and monetarily!), I still feel that for the price we pay we should have access to just about everything in game. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have to unlock items through missions or through in-game effort, just that if we put the time in, we should be able to all get what stuff there is. Now, however, there's this new RAF program that offers exclusive items that are only achievable by actions completed outside the game. Moreover, they're not all just vanity items, for pure coolness factor-- which I'd have no problem with-- they feature an iconic and much-demanded item that looks as if it will have special properties that none of the other ships we currently have access to have.

This is what bothers me. Yes, yes, maybe I'm caught up in the entitlement generation. Nevertheless, I paid for a year's subscription to Cryptic with the notion that my money would provide a level playing field. Along comes Galaxy-X, which does not figure to be in the same category as the TOS Connie ship or the Borg Bridge Officer or the TOS miniskirt, but upsets the whole notion of fair play for fair pay.

I'm disappointed in Cryptic/Atari for taking this step, particularly after the profoundly negative feedback from the community. I'm disappointed in Cryptic/Atari for alienating its current playerbase in order to solicit more subs. And I'm disappointed in Cryptic/Atari for this new business model that puts truly "special" items outside the reach of its regular subscribers, whether it's for sale in the C-Store or dependent on getting another set of people to play the game.

Really, however, I'm most disappointed that someone with power in the company didn't say to themselves, "Self, this ship is so awesome and iconic and wonderful that I just know our players are going to be unhappy that's it's only for the RAF program. Let's give them another way to get their hands on it, too." Instead they've made it very clear that they are more interested in incentivizing players pulling in new subs than giving those players what they've wanted and asked for since day one.

Bad form, bad form.
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# 133
05-07-2010, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by thecapitaine View Post
upsets the whole notion of fair play for fair pay.
I adore your post in general, and I am stealing the above words for future use.
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# 134
05-08-2010, 03:08 AM
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I adore your post in general.
Same here. Well done TheCapitaine... a very reasonable and thought provoking post.

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Originally Posted by thecapitaine View Post
Really, however, I'm most disappointed that someone with power in the company didn't say to themselves, "Self, this ship is so awesome and iconic and wonderful that I just know our players are going to be unhappy that's it's only for the RAF program. Let's give them another way to get their hands on it, too." Instead they've made it very clear that they are more interested in incentivizing players pulling in new subs than giving those players what they've wanted and asked for since day one.
And after reading this, I don't know whats worse... that the higher ups didn't think this move would enrage their ebstablished customers or that they didn't care if it did.
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# 135
05-08-2010, 04:46 AM
Compared to other mmos that launched with about 6 solid months of content (such as wow and I believe Guild Wars) most of my friends when I mentioned how you can play through 90% of the content and reach the RA 5 level cap in a month and a half (3-4 weeks if you are hard core) they looked at me like and just laughed at the idea of paying not only for the game, but monthly for a sub to it on top of c-store MT's for additional content when the game is still very much lacking in well; everything?

Those star trek fans that do join are very likey to get bored in 2 months or less and quite possibly frustrated at the lack of content/repetitive game play at this state of things and leave with no intention of returning and feel jipped our of their cash. (and rightfully so)

(Not to mention prospective players likely keep an eye on these forums and know full well the lack of content and bugs that currently are present and the subscription bleed rate.)

Unless they change to the GW format of "free to play after purchase" and then profit off of c-store MT's (Much like guildwars does) I have doubts very many people will find 1 let alone 5 players to con into paying for a sub.

Now if it was "get 5 friends to play a trial demo" then that'd be another story entirely.....

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As an aside, I couldn't agree more with what Captaine said of "Fair play for fair pay" and if they let this slide, it sets a nasty precedent for future "promotional offers" further tipping the balance out of fairness and isn't a company I (or others I suspect) would continue to support with their cash.
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# 136
05-08-2010, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Shard-Warrior View Post
Where is your proof of this? Please link to actual data that can show this is what will happen with STO.
This is what I will have to do. None of my friends PC game. I am in Law Enforcement and cannot solicit coworkers.
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# 137
05-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Yeah, it's a real shame that at least SOME of the races haven't been added to the game for free...

At least SOME content is being added for free...

Honestly though, I'd rather they just add mid-range level content for free and give us free races and make us buy ship costumes, character costumes, bridge layouts and pay for access to things like the end game STFs...

However, I'm glad this thing is locked behind Cryptic getting more subs...I don't want everyone to easily get this ship. It's way too powerful for everyone to be able to get it. It's so powerful that unless this thing costs like 30 bucks EVERYONE would get it...
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# 138
05-10-2010, 11:50 AM
I don't mind the ship being exclusive, I just think 5 referrals is excessive. WoW requires 1, and considering most MMO's follow their lead, I'm a bit surprised by this number. I'm also hoping that if this ship does have a cloaking device, more Federation ships will as well.


Maybe the new Defiant class will have one?
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# 139
05-10-2010, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wildcat84 View Post
I object to it simply because this is basically nothing more than a ~$200 cash grab designed to artificially inflate the subscriber numbers without actually increasing the number of players.

The majority of the people who get these rewards will be purchasing the accounts themselves. This is how this exact same scheme has worked on SOE games (not surprising, since Cryptic's CEO used to be in charge of this sort of thing at SOE).
That isn't exclusive to SOE. Even Blizzard gives out unique mounts for "referring a friend", and their numbers get artificially inflated as well for the same reasons (people buying additional accounts for the mount). In fact, they've just switched up the mount reward - meaning people who did this once will probably do it all over again.
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# 140
05-10-2010, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Combadge
That isn't exclusive to SOE. Even Blizzard gives out unique mounts for "referring a friend", and their numbers get artificially inflated as well for the same reasons (people buying additional accounts for the mount). In fact, they've just switched up the mount reward - meaning people who did this once will probably do it all over again.
On the other hand, WoW just does it with mounts, and the unique feature of the new one just lets you play chauffeur for your friends. I usually can't resist the opportunity to verbally abuse WoW in some fashion, but I have to say that that's the single most brilliant recruiter reward I've ever heard of. An exclusive way to pew pew? Not so much.
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