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Lt. Commander
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# 71
05-06-2010, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon View Post
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3. Referring 5 friends gets you a Galaxy X

That's nice and all, but who among us hasn't already talked to all of their friends about STO? Well, those friends that are interested in Star Trek and/or video games that is. Most of a Trekkies friends are likely to also be Trekkies, and if one of them has heard about STO they all have. Same with video game players. The entire set up of this program shows me that whichever marketing genius (probably the same guy that tried to raffle off a seat on the advisory council) thought this program up has no friggin clue who we, the player base, are.

There needs to be an additional way for players to access the Galaxy X. And I'm sorry Jacob, I tried to remain civil, I really did.
Well said they do not know us or read what we type here do they.
Lt. Commander
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# 72
05-06-2010, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tekel View Post
Let me start off by saying that I was one who thought they'd stay with this game for awhile. I even avoided the "doom and gloom" topics on the forums. I agree with OP. I apologize for having a part in having that one shot down (hugs to Jacob). The real issue for me (and ultimately the reason I quit) was that I wasn't getting what I paid for. I'm glad that there are people here who do feel that they are, but as for me (and for a lot of people who we are too quick to dismiss as naysayers) the biggest point of contention was and is that we're getting band-aids for something that needs surgery. I will gladly eat my words should the content expansion be game-wide. There have been many excellent posts by people far more eloquent than I on how to do that.

p.s. If you feel it necessary to say, "You don't know what you're talking about. You don't know MMO's," to me, so be it. I know what I've played and what kept my attention (and money), and have no purpose in measuring my e-manhood against yours.
Seriously - they have a calendar up and do bi-weekly Engineering Reoports that show first hand to the playerbadse what they are working on, and yet, you honestly are trying to post that the Devs are somehow abandoning the game? Wow, I would suggest NREVER playying another MMO as if you think the Devs have somehow 'abandoned' the game because they are adding a 'referal rewards' program (somethiong EVERY current MMO (even Blizzard's World of ********) is doing. This MMO has the most communicative and upfront Dev team in my 13 years of playing MMOs.

If yoyu honestly no longer enjoy the game, I can fully understand quitting; but to infer that the STO Dev Team isn't "sticking with the game"; when there's TONS of written and viual and AVTUAL evidence to the contrary (ie they've added more to the game with a smaller staff in 3 months then I've seen in any MMO to date). Yes, it DID ;launch light on content - but , by the time of the Season 2 update; I think it'll be pretty solid, and just go forward from there.

Again, I'm just amazed how people go off and blow a small situation all out of proportion. Again, other MMOs HAVE done referral rewards programs with 'exclusive' rewards fopr those who participate; but yet again, a small subset of Star Trek fans are up in arms.

You know what I find REALLY amazing is any people say "I can't reccomend this game to a friend, because it sucks." - YET, they are really upset because they CAN'T HAVE a ship's costume of a (now) 'iconic' ship (that appeared for 10 minuites in the final TNG episode) in a game they think sucks, and really don't want to play anymore, because it sucks, and was released unfinshed.

^^^^
I must be dumb, because I don't see the logic here - yet that's what a lot of the rage posts here boild down to.
Lt. Commander
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# 73
05-06-2010, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by homsikpanda View Post
if you think that why are you paying for your sub? sincei t's not going towards sto either >_>
plus it's not announced yet, unconfirmed and just rumors.....
Agreed.

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A canon ship that was in a few minutes of one episode out of 28 seasons and 11 movies over a 43 year period.
HEHE. True. And let's bring up another topic of discussion. Riker flew that baby Straight up and through the ship as it exploded. So I got 5 players...I got my Fancy ship. Now I want to fly it straight up at a 90 degree turn please!!!!! hehe

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Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon View Post
1. People complaining that Cryptic is just looking for a "cash grab" is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it is.

Businesses exist to make money, they have to have money or they die. My body needs food, no one complains when I eat breakfast or when I look for more ways to get more food. My car needs gas, no one complains when I fill up the gas tank. No one complains when Walmart makes a profit, so why do we complain that Cryptic is searching for other ways to make money? Don't like microtransactions? Don't use them.

100% agree. One thing I am so tired of hearing.



2. The Game is Painfully Unfinished, Why Invite People Now?

This was the first thing that popped into my head when I first read about the RaF program. They should have waited until after Season 2 to debut this new program. As it stands now, new people invited will just see a broken and half-finished game. Quitters invited back are going to see the same game they just left with a tiny amount of improvements. It's not going to keep them. And then when Season 2 does come out they are less likely to come back and try it for a third time.

I do agree with this aspect of the OP. However I am happy you took it to a better place where the game has a future. Waiting till season 2 would have been a better move by Cryptic. I do agree the game was painfully unfinished at launch, but is getting better and will continue to get better. I wish these negative posters would acknowledge that from time to time.


3. Referring 5 friends gets you a Galaxy X

That's nice and all, but who among us hasn't already talked to all of their friends about STO? Well, those friends that are interested in Star Trek and/or video games that is. Most of a Trekkies friends are likely to also be Trekkies, and if one of them has heard about STO they all have. Same with video game players. The entire set up of this program shows me that whichever marketing genius (probably the same guy that tried to raffle off a seat on the advisory council) thought this program up has no friggin clue who we, the player base, are.

There needs to be an additional way for players to access the Galaxy X. And I'm sorry Jacob, I tried to remain civil, I really did.
I personally don't care about this ship. I don't fly cruisers I love my escort or science vessel. So why would I bother to recruit 5 players for something I don't want. I feel Cryptic fails in this promotion because they cut out a large portion of the player base. Why would anyone who doesn't fly a cruiser or want it as a collectors trophy want to do this? And I 100% agree with you who here has not A: already tried to get some of their wow friends or anyone else to play the game successfully or unsuccessfully doesn't matter it has already been attempted. or B: All our Trek friends already play or are too busy to play. I for one am not going to walk up to strangers to try and sell Cryptic's game without being paid an hourly wage hehe.

Also I do agree that even though I don't see why this ship is so sought after as there are many more cannon ships that seem more exciting to me, some people really want it and therefore should be obtainable somewhere else. To dangle a ship a lot of players have asked for as a reward to a task that really is not possible for most people is rather crass.
Lt. Commander
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# 74
05-06-2010, 12:40 AM
That's just pure speculation from you guys. You have no idea how many will stay or go. A free weekend no one is going to level cap. Some of the players have just taken breaks and plan to come back. This my make them decide too. Some left never return and it's doesn't matter if it's at season two or not.

I play for hours each day and hardly ever see bugs. The ones I have seen were minor. What a lot of people call bugs are bad computers. That don't meet the minimum requirements.

A lot of the people who think this is a bad idea. Are looking at it with jaded eyes. They don't like the game. They don't want others to like the game. They don't play the game. They don't want others to play the game. They don't think the game should have been released three months ago. They don't think it's enough like EVE.

The fact is the game was released three months ago Cryptic has to go on from here. They have to try and recruit new players and offer free weekends. They need to offer free weekends now and season two and three. Cryptic can't wait till their critics on the forums approve when to start their recruitment program. Because some would say never.
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# 75
05-06-2010, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Englebert
That's just pure speculation from you guys. You have no idea how many will stay or go. A free weekend no one is going to level cap. Some of the players have just taken breaks and plan to come back. This my make them decide too. Some left never return and it's doesn't matter if it's at season two or not.

I play for hours each day and hardly ever see bugs. The ones I have seen were minor. What a lot of people call bugs are bad computers. That don't meet the minimum requirements.

A lot of the people who think this is a bad idea. Are looking at it with jaded eyes. They don't like the game. They don't want others to like the game. They don't play the game. They don't want others to play the game. They don't think the game should have been released three months ago. They don't think it's enough like EVE.

The fact is the game was released three months ago Cryptic has to go on from here. They have to try and recruit new players and offer free weekends. They need to offer free weekends now and season two and three. Cryptic can't wait till their critics on the forums approve when to start their recruitment program. Because some would say never.
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# 76
05-06-2010, 01:10 AM
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check your in-box
Hm. That's awfully... cryptic of you. A poster makes a point like that, you could respond in public or at least share what you have to say with more people.
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# 77
05-06-2010, 01:15 AM
I just wish they'd add content people wanted that you didn't have to jump thru hoops to obtain.

I'm tired of new stuff being cash/gimmick-only in a game I paid $90 for and pay $15.00 a month to play.

This game has more cash-shop items then a lot of Korean f2p MMOs. And it's not F2P. By any means.
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# 78
05-06-2010, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Armsman View Post
Seriously - they have a calendar up and do bi-weekly Engineering Reoports that show first hand to the playerbadse what they are working on, and yet, you honestly are trying to post that the Devs are somehow abandoning the game?
I keep seeing a similar sentiment. A LOT of people keep criticizing the developers for being shady or not communicating. And it baffles me. Then I realize ... not everyone knows about the engi reports. No matter how many times dstahl links them in his posts.

And not everyone reads the dev tracker. Or clicks on the "dev post" button on threads that have dev posts in them.

So some folks actually think this. They're just not up to speed yet. Crazy, but true. If they'd check out a few of the Engineering Reports ... they'd see how many times dstahl answers a dozen questions in one post.

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You know what I find REALLY amazing is any people say "I can't reccomend this game to a friend, because it sucks." - YET, they are really upset because they CAN'T HAVE a ship's costume of a (now) 'iconic' ship (that appeared for 10 minuites in the final TNG episode) in a game they think sucks, and really don't want to play anymore, because it sucks, and was released unfinshed.
That's been one of the things that stumps me. A lot. Some posters just get finished posting in a thread about how unfinished this game is. How they don't play. How bored they are. How they want to or are going to quit. How they can't possibly refer this game to 5 strangers, let alone friends. And then jump into a thread about this ship that was seen in one episode and get very very passionate and frustrated about how they can't fly this ship. In this game they can no longer stand. What's the point of getting a ship for a game they don't want to play? I am stumped.
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# 79
05-06-2010, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
Hm. That's awfully... cryptic of you. A poster makes a point like that, you could respond in public or at least share what you have to say with more people.
What I had to say to him, was specifically addressed to him. If I wanted to make a public statement I would have. But since it was private, then it is essentially none of your business.

And as for his "points" they have already been addressed, by myself, Peregrine_Falcon and others. He replies with sweeping generalizations and generally refuses to counter someone's argument by not making specific reference or addressing particular points.
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# 80
05-06-2010, 04:22 AM
RAF's and micros are part of the gaming industry now there is no point in crying over it. I don't recall if it was this thread or one of the others where they said no other mmo had done this where the reward was for so many swg at least twice that i can recall did the raf for getting 4 friends you get the new shiny it amazes me how people get so excited over a few pixels virtual items that we don't even own.
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