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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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# 101
05-06-2010, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyias View Post
Comon man, it is someone elses view on the marketability of said product to get people to refer. Sure, disagree with it, but seriously gets you angry? He's not advocating against morals, taboos or the importance of life...

He's giving his opinion that he thinks that it is a nice move that the Galaxy-X is a bonus item for getting people to join the game.

Disagree if you'd like, but no need to get nasty about it.
The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.
Lt. Commander
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# 102
05-06-2010, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Lt.Expendable
I responded to mock the statement, not to seriously respond to the "argument", such as it is.
You really need to get up to date with internet debate methods.

I am well versed in internet debate methods I was simply trying to tell a joke. Focus your anger at Cryptic instead of lashing out at everyone who has a different opinion than yours.

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Originally Posted by Lt.Expendable
The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.
Him or Cryptic? You're really starting to make this way to personal.
Lt. Commander
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# 103
05-06-2010, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by the_illustrious_q
I am well versed in internet debate methods I was simply trying to tell a joke. Focus your anger at Cryptic instead of lashing out at everyone who has a different opinion than yours.
The problem here is telling Cryptic what they want to hear is a very dangerous thing to do at this point.
If "management are aware" we need to be united against this kind of cynical shilling, and people posting just to be contrary or to support Cryptic no matter what are not helping.
Lt. Commander
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# 104
05-06-2010, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by the_illustrious_q
Him or Cryptic? You're really starting to make this way to personal.
My point is there's no way ANYONE in good conscience can think this is a good idea.
Pyramid schemes are a detestable form of business in any medium.
Lt. Commander
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# 105
05-06-2010, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lt.Expendable
The problem here is telling Cryptic what they want to hear is a very dangerous thing to do at this point.
If "management are aware" we need to be united against this kind of cynical shilling, and people posting just to be contrary or to support Cryptic no matter what are not helping.
Unfortunately that is their right. Trampling upon that right is something that no one has the moral right to do.

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My point is there's no way ANYONE in good conscience can think this is a good idea.
Pyramid schemes are a detestable form of business in any medium.
And yet it is an MMO industry standard.
Lt. Commander
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# 106
05-06-2010, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by the_illustrious_q
Unfortunately that is their right. Trampling upon that right is something that no one has the moral right to do.
I have no right to silence them, no.
I do have a right to yell at them, though.

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And yet it is an MMO industry standard.
Not to this degree, and not with such a high stakes item.
It's also a terrible standard.
Lt. Commander
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# 107
05-06-2010, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Lt.Expendable
The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.

Either way he loses any and all respectability.
I know exactly what that entails.

"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.

Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".

Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.
Lt. Commander
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# 108
05-06-2010, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Shard-Warrior View Post
I know exactly what that entails.

"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.

Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".

Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.
You're unbelievable. Laziness? I'd have a hard time getting 5 people to look at STO, let alone buy the game and subscribe for one month!
What do you expect people like me to do? Go door to door advertising the game? What? That's not word of mouth, that's being a salesman!

And what about people who already got friends to play STO? I guess they're lazy too right?
Lt. Commander
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# 109
05-06-2010, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Lt.Expendable
Pyramid schemes are a detestable form of business in any medium.
You've totally no idea what you're talking about.

Pyramid Scheme;

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A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, without any product or service being delivered.
Since STO itself is the product/service being delivered, how is this a "pyramid scheme"? Anyone joining via the RAF program will be able to access and play the game.
Lt. Commander
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# 110
05-06-2010, 06:40 AM
The point that Lt. Expenable is making (and I agree with to a point) is that you are saying that you should do actual work to get the most prized ship in the game.

Effectively, you are paid $4 per person (400 cryptic points) for every person you actively recruit. Once you make $20 they will give you a unique ship to command as well.

Here is the problem: you are making $4 per person, but you are still paying them $15 every month for bug fixes, new content, ships, weapons etc.

So basically what Expendable finds appalling (and I now do myself after thinking about it) is that we have to pay them money each month and recruit people in order to get access to the most advanced ship/content in the game. This isn't through the C-store for $5. It is not through our monthly fee and a rare reward for finishing a STF...it's through a referal program....the most advanced ship/content in the game....let that sink in.

P.S. Lt. Expendable: correct me if my interpretation of this basis is incorrect...after reading your previous posts this is the summary I came up with based on that. After creating the summary though I find that I have changed my position on this RAF matter....I should be payed much more for my out of game time.

Thank you.
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