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# 21
05-06-2010, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ZootCadillac
I think he might be referring to a quote directly attributed to gene where he stated "Warp nacelles MUST be in pairs" and "The Franz Joseph Designs single-nacelle ships are not official canon..
Warp nacelles must have at least 50% line-of-sight on each other across the hull.
Both warp nacelles must be fully visible from the front.
The bridge must be located at the top center of the primary hull."
I don't remember where, perhaps Ex Astris Scientia, but on some Star Trek technobabble website I saw a theory that goes a long way to explain this.

The theory states that, as the nacelles technology evolved, somewhere between the TOS Movie era and the TNG era, each Nacelle began having 2 warp coils inside them instead of 1 which explains why they suddenly became so much dramatically wider.

Also, keeping in mind some ships have been shown verifiably as having multiple nacelles, such as the Constellation Class/the Stargazer (which I will point out used the old TOS Movie era style nacelles, still playing into this theory) the more important thing is for the Nacelles to be in pairs, than for there to simply be A pair.

In which case, comparing it to the original TOS designs, it's more like this ship adds both a 5th and 6th nacelle, not a 3rd.
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# 22
05-06-2010, 12:44 PM
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popkorn got banned again i think, he hasn't been around for almost 2 weeks.... -tear- i miss my popkornn, he went good with butter
He posted two days ago. He's not banned, I just checked.
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# 23
05-06-2010, 12:45 PM
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He posted two days ago. He's not banned, I just checked.
Popkorn cancelled. There was an I Quit Thread to commemmorate the event and everthing. With a somewhat tear-jerking final post by Rekhan as the thread was closed.

It's all still a pretty emotional thing for me right now and hard to type about.
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# 24
05-06-2010, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ZootCadillac
Why were the sovereigns built if it made sense to refit a galaxy? Why was any ship replaced?
Why isn't every ship a Sovereign?

It's sometimes cost effective to refit rather than scuttle; especially in wartime.
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# 25
05-06-2010, 12:48 PM
We have canon 3 nacelled ships, such as the Niagara-class, seen in the Wolf 359 graveyard.

I've also seen the theory of 2 coils per nacelle, which would make a 3 nacelled ship essentially have 6 coils, keeping the numbers even.

On that note, I'd rather have one of the ships people have actually been asking for. Nebula, Excelsior, Steamrunner, and not the Galaxy-X.

I'd also like to see more free ships, instead of content with strings attached.
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# 26
05-06-2010, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoxe
I don't remember where, perhaps Ex Astris Scientia, but on some Star Trek technobabble website I saw a theory that goes a long way to explain this.

The theory states that, as the nacelles technology evolved, somewhere between the TOS Movie era and the TNG era, each Nacelle began having 2 warp coils inside them instead of 1 which explains why they suddenly became so much dramatically wider.

Also, keeping in mind some ships have been shown verifiably as having multiple nacelles, such as the Constellation Class/the Stargazer (which I will point out used the old TOS Movie era style nacelles, still playing into this theory) the more important thing is for the Nacelles to be in pairs, than for there to simply be A pair.

In which case, comparing it to the original TOS designs, it's more like this ship adds both a 5th and 6th nacelle, not a 3rd.

You are quite correct. The Galaxy X was explained away as having "2 warp coils per nacelle, making 3 pairs of 2". It was of course a cack-handed explanation to get around Gene's stipulation.
I just thought I'd might get away with not mentioning it so as not to cloud the issue. ( but you can always count on another geek knowing what you know eh? )

I don't have a problem with the ship. I just follow the logic that as our 'timeline' progresses, the likelihood of it ever being made would be slim. ( if you look at it logically )
But I have no objection to it or any other odd nacelled design being in game and I certainly don't mind them being exclusive to certain players. You know me, devil will always need an advocate
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# 27
05-06-2010, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by superchum View Post
Popkorn cancelled. There was an I Quit Thread to commemmorate the event and everthing. With a somewhat tear-jerking final post by Rekhan as the thread was closed.

It's all still a pretty emotional thing for me right now and hard to type about.
He's lucky he didn't get another infraction point for that post; he's got 19, or so he says.
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# 28
05-06-2010, 01:01 PM
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He's lucky he didn't get another infraction point for that post; he's got 19, or so he says.
I agree. But I think Rekhan took mercy on him. They do want customers to return at some point after all. And returning business is a pretty common thing in MMOs.
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# 29
05-06-2010, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jnoh
[cue the Camelot dance number from Holy Grail]


I LOL'ed.

/10chars
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# 30
05-06-2010, 01:06 PM
I just wanted to point out a few instances of "un-even" nacelle counts.

The USS Kelvin in JJ Trek

The instance in Twilight when Enterprise was able to go to warp on 1 nacelle.

The instance in Year of Hell when Voyager was able to do the same.

I want to believe in Roddenberry's laws, but the canon seems to be drifting away from them.

And then there's the instance of the Prometheus's saucer nacelles having 0 line of site.

And the Melbourne having 2 completely different sized nacelles..tho I'm not sure if that matters.
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