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# 21
05-17-2010, 10:18 AM
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Ohh... so going into Iraq with a Sherman tank makes much more sense than taking a M1A1 Abrams.
We use Sherman tanks all the time still. Right?
Technology is modular in the 21st century. There's no reason to believe it can't be in the 25th. Upgrading engines, shields, and weapons is a very simple thing - especially when you understand that Starfleet ships are held together with structural integrity fields rather then only nuts, bolts, and welds. It doesn't matter how old the hull is as long as the nuts, bolts, welds, and SIF are functioning properly.
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# 22
05-17-2010, 10:18 AM
The American Space Program is a bunch of people looking at telescopes and launching high-tech RCVs with converted ballistic missiles. It is shambles.

It would take us 20-30 years to RE-DEVELOP the technology used to get to the moon. NASA is cut more then the military, and to better press. Yaay health care!
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# 23
05-17-2010, 10:20 AM
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The American Space Program is a bunch of people looking at telescopes and launching high-tech RCVs with converted ballistic missiles. It is shambles.

It would take us 20-30 years to RE-DEVELOP the technology used to get to the moon. NASA is cut more then the military, and to better press. Yaay health care!
Also they're going to pay the Russians $5 million per astronaut to ride on their rusty clockwork rockets.
Yes we can!
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# 24
05-17-2010, 10:26 AM
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I'm sorry but if you want to fly around a Tier 5/6 Galaxy would mean realistically you'd be flying around a ship that was 100 years old.

That would be the modern equivalent of driving a Ford Model T to work every day.
If I could afford a Totally restored Model T....I would drive it. Bad analogy.
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# 25
05-17-2010, 10:26 AM
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Why does everyone want Higher Tier Variants of the old and busted Starships?

I mean people are talking about Akira Class and Galaxy Class are like 100 year old models. No amount of "Re-Fitting" is going to modernize it.

HENSE the Star Cruisers/Advanced Escorts... Tier 6 ships would most likely be even newer and NOT rehashed old Variants. You don't see people in TNG flying around in "Refit Constitution Class"
its the same reason our own miliatry's (as well as other companys) around the world refits older ships for new use today, it takes alot of reasorces to build a brand new ship over and over, we still do of course, but if they can refit a older ship with new tech they do, its cheaper, and you save alot of reasources you might need for future use on something else.

also alot of the ship's design's in star trek tend to link alot of folks to fond memorys of something folks have seen in the past, on the shows and movie's and theres a bond between that design and the person.
one of the reasons i play the game.

thats also the reason alot of people tend to buy older cars and make them into modern day hot rods, and one of the reasons Ryan Friedlinghus owner of West Coast Customs (for example) has a very succsessfull buisness today, rebuilding oldcars with the newstyle and tech of today.

if i could afford to build a jacked out model T and afford to pay the insurance to drive it to work everyday, i would.
alot of the cars of yesterday were alot more reliable then the newer cars of today that are built to break down.

alot of things around the world today are older items, designed or rebuilt for newer use, just because its "old" doesnt mean its worthless.
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# 26
05-17-2010, 10:28 AM
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If I could afford a Totally restored Model T....I would drive it. Bad analogy.
Until the car behind you nudges you slightly and your Model T disintegrates.
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# 27
05-17-2010, 10:36 AM
All Starfleet vessels are designed to be upgradeable from the getgo. IIRC the schedule goes kinda like minor refits every 5 years, medium overhauls every 10-15, and yearlong teardown and rebuilds every 25.

Basically, if it dosen't involve modifying the spaceframe (and even then!), and there is room for it, it can go in.

New warp coils, M/ARC cores, computer cores, ODNs, the works....all designed to be able to be upgraded and replaced as technology evolves.
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# 28
05-17-2010, 10:52 AM
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That's a perfect example because the Boeing 747 was first built in 1910.

The Boeing 747 was first flown in 1970.
Not to mention it's being phased out with the Boeing Trip-7 lol
Yes but the lifespan of a good airframe just keeps getting longer and longer.
The first airline aircraft that were ever produced only lasted a few years before they were obsolete and not even a decade.
In the past century alone the lifespan of airframes have only grown longer and longer, and already back in the age of sail some ships were still perfectly fighting fit nearly a century after they were built.

And as a matter of fact the 747 is not being phased out at all, in fact brand new 747-8's are currently under construction, and the airframe will most likely continue to be used for decades to come.
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# 29 Ships continue to Serve
05-17-2010, 11:15 AM
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Why does everyone want Higher Tier Variants of the old and busted Starships?

I mean people are talking about Akira Class and Galaxy Class are like 100 year old models. No amount of "Re-Fitting" is going to modernize it.

HENSE the Star Cruisers/Advanced Escorts... Tier 6 ships would most likely be even newer and NOT rehashed old Variants. You don't see people in TNG flying around in "Refit Constitution Class"
The P51, the F4, the B52, the F14,15 and 16...what is with this? All this craft were state of the art when they where developed yet over time the SYSTEMS they used got outdated and the craft got reffitted to keep up with the modern era. Granted when a craft no longer serves a usefullness it can be retired but the craft itself can still function.

The B52 when from propellers to jet engines and has served since 1952. It is still the most successfull bomber in the USAF. If it was still using components and armment from the 1940-50's then yes scrap it and move on, but it has been outfitted with start-of-the-art, up-to-date computers, armements and weapons to keep it flying and being successful in its missions.

The same can be said about a Star Fleet Vessel! Just cause it isn't the most state of the art design doesn't mean it has no fuction or can't complete a mission. It can recieve a refit to improve its computer consoles, shields, weapons to make it successful even against more modern craft.

I have proposed that when we level we unlock ne varients of ships in service however we could be given the choice to refit our current vessel instead. Without changing any skills to make this work, you would simply be offered varrients of of refits to apply to your ship, escort, cruiser or research. Once you make RA the refit would have 6 options to coencide with the current content of ships. This would essentially mean that you could get a Galaxy Class starship and apply a Fleet Escort refit to it. This would NOT make it a Gryphon Class starship however. It would improve its capabilities somewhat to be comparable.

This will give all players the ability to play any vessel for as long as they want even into end game content. In the film First Contact you see every make and model of ship attacking the Borg. This suggested to me that they still had the capability to perfom a function and were more then likely still in service for a function.

With the Poll what ship would you like to see ingame those varients seemed low tier craft except the Enterprise J. I suggest that ANY vessel could be refitted to perfom a new or continue its function beside a more modern model vessel.

Really the only change that would take effect with this proposal would be the ship refits and continued service into the 26th century!
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# 30
05-17-2010, 11:27 AM
The B-52 went into service in 1955 and is still being used today. They were in production up until 1996. Refits have been going on since 1989. They USAF expects to use it for another 10 to 15 years but said the aiframes should be viable up until at least 2040. Right now you have a plane that is 55 years old and could be 85 years old when it leaves service depending on when it was made. One of the jokes in the bomber community is that the planes are older than the pilots.

Look at the USS Enterprise CVN-65, launched in 1960 and won't be decomissioned until at least 2012. it will be more than 52 years old. It has had major and minor refits 5 different times.

Depending on when they stopped making some of the Starfleet ships they may not even be that old.

Side note:
The M1 Abrams is 30 years old.
The 747 was built in 1968, first flew in 1969, saw service 1970.
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