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Lt. Commander
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# 11
05-23-2010, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GM_IndigoFyre
I am well aware of that situation. My point still stands though.
Ok, then how WELL does it work?

I notice you said that it doesnt work "that well".

EDITED

I notice that it works even better than I thought! Here is a member that is real new, just got their LT membership. Took the advice of "contacting billing" and now has...you guessed it...a new Borg captain!

http://www.startrekonline.com/charac...es/828772/view

(From this thread: http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=159266 )
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# 12
05-23-2010, 05:45 PM
They dont acknowlege Feedback so telling them their support services is giving out items is pointless. Besides... they havent said what their definition of exclusive is... maybe its.

"Ask us we will give it to you"

Then again, maybe the GMs give out items to themselves... most MMOs have had similar situations with such people when they have that power.
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# 13
05-23-2010, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ShinRa_Actual View Post
Their stance is indeed clear, as their only offical response to vocal and numerous protests was for Dstahl to come and drop details on how cool the ship is going to be (and dismiss us as a the 'regularly scheduled riot'), and then circular-file all the complaints and dissent into a "feedback" forum, where (despite promises to the contrary), no constructive or useful replies from cryptic have been made.



We'll 'let it go' when a satisfactory resolution is made. Or even a serious attempt on Cryptic's part to even acknowledge there's a problem, maybe.
Unfortunately there is no 'problem' in Cryptic's eyes. They have a very good carrot to try to squeeze people into making more money for them. It was a -very- shrewd tactic to introduce a "Real" t5 trek ship as a prize for getting them more money.

If you wish a canonical ship, you can choose either the assault cruiser (Sovereign) or the advanced escort (Prometheus).. Of course you could always buy some of their 'custom' ships.
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# 14
05-23-2010, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jade Delphi
Unfortunately there is no 'problem' in Cryptic's eyes.
Obviously, our work is not done yet. -shrug-
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# 15
05-23-2010, 11:09 PM
As I have posted elsewhere, all else being equal (as in, no additional powers/abilities) the Galaxy-X makes a good choice for a referral award. It is a ship that is both distinctive and also barely-seen on screen, and it really does make a nice little gift for the people who manage to get five new accounts to buy the retail box and pay for an additional month. If you were going to give a reward for a recruiter, something distinctive and visible in-game, and more than just C-points, what else could it be?

Where things get hairy and uncomfortable for me is the additional functionality of the Galaxy-X. But it's hard to make a judgement on any of that since we still don't have details. Does it have an operational-level (non-battle) cloak? Just what does the axial superphaser do? We know it replaces a weapon slot, so is it balanced against, or more capable than, other weapons? We just don't know yet, and probably won't know until it's actually released and in the game. It might have JUST enough extra stuff to it to make it interesting but not gamebreaking. Or it might be OMZodBBQ OP! but we just don't know yet.*

This doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic towards or lack understanding of those who will not ever be able to get this ship. I know I won't; The people I know who might want to play STO are either already playing, too poor, or tried it and didn't like it. I've accepted that I'll never have this ship in my 'stable,' at least if it remains an exclusive to the R5F program. Still it's a bit of a bummer, but I'm accepting it since I just don't know what else would make a suitable cool reward for the R5F recruiters.

Honestly, barring any craziness surrounding the additional functionality, while I think Atari/Cryptic could have handled this a little better, there's not a lot to say against the idea of the Galaxy-X as a reward. That being said, if much more iconic ships (such as the Nebula, Excelsior, possibly even the NX refit) end up being exclusive rewards for out-of-game actions? That would... not be a really good idea. One is enough, more would be hard to justify. I'm pretty sure there won't be anything to worry about, though. Cryptic most likely won't make those ships, which have many more people clamoring for them, some sort of out-of-game exclusive.

* - On the other hand, I do know one thing: If the Galaxy-X can cloak, it will be ganged up on in PvP so completely, it will quickly earn the nickname "Photon Bait." =) I'm pretty sure the Klinks are none too happy with the possibility of a cloakable Fed ship in the game,
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# 16
05-24-2010, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by V-Mink
Honestly, barring any craziness surrounding the additional functionality, while I think Atari/Cryptic could have handled this a little better, there's not a lot to say against the idea of the Galaxy-X as a reward. That being said, if much more iconic ships (such as the Nebula, Excelsior, possibly even the NX refit) end up being exclusive rewards for out-of-game actions? That would... not be a really good idea. One is enough, more would be hard to justify. I'm pretty sure there won't be anything to worry about, though. Cryptic most likely won't make those ships, which have many more people clamoring for them, some sort of out-of-game exclusive.
This, is sort of the issue I have taken with this. It is not just that it is being offered. But that it is the only modified lower-tier ship that will be available at all for the foreseeable future.

Were 'upgraded' Galaxy-Class ship available as tier 5 ships would I be quite so.. upset? No, not really. It is the fact that there is a noticeable -absence- of iconic, canonical ships at the endgame. Now, I understand that some people do like the stylized and created ships that cryptic has populated tier 5 with. But I don't. I want to captain the ships I have seen on the shows, the movies and not just toss them aside when I reach the end of the game.

So that is what upsets me the most. The galaxy-x itself? Meh? But it is the fact that is is the only pseudo-upgradeable ships that will be available for the foreseeable future. If Cryptic/Atari had introduced this after some sort of possible upgrade system, I would not mind that much at all.
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# 17
05-24-2010, 12:53 AM
Circumventing the system isnt going to make anyone look good on all parts.

This is a ship that was chosen as a recruitment reward........I'll probably never see it as I don't happen to know 5 people that can care less about the game let alone buy anything Star Trek. And thats the real problem here.....the Demo isnt enough to entice and the only ones intrested in the game off the bat are ST fans. Unless your holding a Monday night convention at your home with all of the ST nerds on the block......finding 5 people to buy the game and play it is an uphill battle. Im the only one I know that likes Star Trek....everyone else I know could give 2 poops about it.

Here is a reward that everyone wants...granted......but obtaining it for most is going to be an impossiblity for the above fact alone. The challenge should be a little easier to come about, where Cyrptic gets what they want and the people that play the game can get what they want.

Cryptic is like congress.........we complain, and they over-react,
we suggest, and it doesnt make the agenda

To Cryptic.....my homies.......my game creators and king of all things that blow up...if I may?

Instead of knee jerking when the negative nancys attempt to throw the masses under the bus,
How about thinking outside of the box....and look at the problem for what it really is in all of its simplicity.
Literally take a step back and ask yourself.......do we really need to crank on this problem this hard to achieve the same result?

There are other means to an end my dear Devs......Cryptic cannot be that obtuse in their deallings. Nor must you feel urgency when dealling with a small minority of people screaming to the heavens. Don't rush anything else because people want it now..................Just make it a fair logical assessment. We can't berate you guys for that in all fairness. In the end...the product will sell itself.

And we wont need the bribery of ones want and desires to play a game with all the perks.

I get where your coming from though........Capitolism...........Only in America.......
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# 18
05-24-2010, 03:53 AM
Well i personaly just hope that all items will eventualy become available inthe c-store or through game play unlocks.....but thats just my opinion i guess

I think its neat being able to get the stuff earlier before everyone else....but i think it would be more neat to have those same things eventualy available for other people.....and maybe instead have the pre-order thing...just letting people have newer things to play with first....

If i was in charge of the promo stuff for cryptic...the items and unlocks and things.....i would give them to the veteran palyers first....maybe as a thank you for their support.....and then give them out a month or two later in the veteran rewards program...then a month or two after that make the items available on the c-store.....

That way everyone can get the items.....people cant whine about costs becasue they can get the stuff for free....people cant whine about not getting something other people have becasue they can get them too...people cant whine about having to wait a long time becasue they will be inthe c-store so if they are realy new players they can just buy the items instead of waiting....and people cant whine about exclusive stuff becasue they get to try the stuff first.

but as i said...this is simply my opinion....
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# 19
05-24-2010, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PsychicKitty
Well i personaly just hope that all items will eventualy become available inthe c-store or through game play unlocks.....but thats just my opinion i guess

I think its neat being able to get the stuff earlier before everyone else....but i think it would be more neat to have those same things eventualy available for other people.....and maybe instead have the pre-order thing...just letting people have newer things to play with first....

If i was in charge of the promo stuff for cryptic...the items and unlocks and things.....i would give them to the veteran palyers first....maybe as a thank you for their support.....and then give them out a month or two later in the veteran rewards program...then a month or two after that make the items available on the c-store.....

That way everyone can get the items.....people cant whine about costs becasue they can get the stuff for free....people cant whine about not getting something other people have becasue they can get them too...people cant whine about having to wait a long time becasue they will be inthe c-store so if they are realy new players they can just buy the items instead of waiting....and people cant whine about exclusive stuff becasue they get to try the stuff first.

but as i said...this is simply my opinion....
If cryptic did that then noone would ever bother with their preorder deals again we would all just wait til we could get it cheap in the cstore or ingame i've got a bout a grand wrapped up in this game so far and would annoy me to no end if the stuff i paid for was given away or for less than i paid for it
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# 20
05-24-2010, 05:15 AM
Do we get anything for telling 5 people to avoid STO because it's boring and stale besides a clear conscious?
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