Captain
Join Date: May 2013
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# 1 Magical DEM damage.
04-07-2014, 06:56 AM
Ok, can someone explain to me how a ship running DEM3 can destroy a ship with a 60k hull with every imaginable damage resistance buff active and RSP in mere seconds?

No matter what I do it seems to be impossible for me to replicate this effect, with either a tac or an engineer.
I know Marion is a popular doff, but these days there are alternative ways for keeing weapons power up, and even then I cannot make it work.

Ive alternated between damage types, tried everything from BFAW spam to CRF and and Dual Cannons.
Most of the time the hull damage I do with DEM3 to any ship running resistance buffs is marginal at best.

Is it even legitimately possible or is it some kind of exploit going around???
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# 2
04-07-2014, 07:02 AM
No exploits. Its just bad design.

Its not the DEM killing you... its the faw direct dmg. DEM is just some icing on the cake. With A2B 3/4 uptime on one copy of dem makes it a pretty easy choice.
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# 3
04-07-2014, 07:17 AM
To answer your question, yes it is legitimately possible.

A good way to understand what the hell is going on is to log a match and then to use a parser for analysis. Record your matches watch closely, buffs and debuffs.

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Join Date: Feb 2013
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# 4
04-07-2014, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by senatorvreenak View Post
Ok, can someone explain to me how a ship running DEM3 can destroy a ship with a 60k hull with every imaginable damage resistance buff active and RSP in mere seconds?

No matter what I do it seems to be impossible for me to replicate this effect, with either a tac or an engineer.
I know Marion is a popular doff, but these days there are alternative ways for keeing weapons power up, and even then I cannot make it work.

Ive alternated between damage types, tried everything from BFAW spam to CRF and and Dual Cannons.
Most of the time the hull damage I do with DEM3 to any ship running resistance buffs is marginal at best.

Is it even legitimately possible or is it some kind of exploit going around???
It likely wasn't just DEM3 but in conjunction with other powers. I think what happened was that your shield facing was down momentarily and RSP cannot protect any facings without shield. The spike DMG killed you while your shield facing is down.
Captain
Join Date: Jan 2014
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# 5
04-07-2014, 07:37 AM
Totally legit .400% bleedthrough new best thing.Get resilient shields (wonder why they don't delete all other types of shields) and hope one day the game will actually have someone who cares how everything works in it.
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# 6
04-07-2014, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by iskandus View Post
It likely wasn't just DEM3 but in conjunction with other powers. I think what happened was that your shield facing was down momentarily and RSP cannot protect any facings without shield. The spike DMG killed you while your shield facing is down.
Ive parsed sustained spikes of up to 115k dps in my tac Avenger. Even if its just 5 seconds thats 575k worth of damage before resists! Properly built Scimitars can do more. The key to that is timing just like the rest of the abilities in PvP. Buff when they're RSP is on CD and without being a healer or receiving support not many can sit there and absorb that kind of dps.

DEM just allows hull damage to start before dropping their shields so when you finally do get through the shields you have less hull to burn through.

Last edited by edalgo; 04-07-2014 at 07:51 AM.
Captain
Join Date: May 2013
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# 7
04-07-2014, 07:59 AM
Except ive seen my hull drop from 100 to 0 with RSP up and shields at full strenght the whole way through.
And I cant even replicate it by stacking every damage buff I know of with DEM3.

Should also mention I am being fired at by cannon weapons, not BFAW spam.
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# 8
04-07-2014, 08:13 AM
part of me thinks that with all the shield penetration/bleedthru calculations may be flawed as in something is coded wrong. dem+Penetration Doffs+passives+consoles+tac skills I think something may have a decimal out of place. This is just a random guess but I do not believe DEM was properly tested withs some of the additional penetration features.
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Captain
Join Date: Feb 2013
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# 9
04-07-2014, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by senatorvreenak View Post
Except ive seen my hull drop from 100 to 0 with RSP up and shields at full strenght the whole way through.
And I cant even replicate it by stacking every damage buff I know of with DEM3.

Should also mention I am being fired at by cannon weapons, not BFAW spam.
The bottom line is we need more information. There is a ton of possible reasons that could explain what happened. Another probability not mentioned is that you were hit with Proton Barrage. Your hull DMG resist could also be greatly reduced via a number of powers. With bleed through up to 12.5% , CRF can indeed kill targets based on bleed through, especially when assisted by DEM.

What I find peculiar is DEM III and use of cannons. Ships that use DEM 3 rarely use Cannons because they often don't have Tact stations higher than Lt. Station. Something doesn't add up in your story.
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# 10
04-07-2014, 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iskandus View Post
It likely wasn't just DEM3 but in conjunction with other powers. I think what happened was that your shield facing was down momentarily and RSP cannot protect any facings without shield. The spike DMG killed you while your shield facing is down.
Of all the answers the OP is getting, this one is the correct one. RSP is worthless if your shields have been brought down. Everything has a counter, even mighty RSP.
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