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Lt. Commander
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# 21
06-12-2010, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Blenda
But why am I better?. I am the same person, I don't get a lobotomy before I play as a Federation player.
Because to achieve BG5 on the Klingon side you had to PvP extensively. To reach RA5 on the Fed side all you have to do is fly around in PvE and set a beer can down on the space bar and you win. Way too many Fed-side role-players and "Captain Kirk's" that waltz into PvP expecting the same experience as PvE and are sorely mistaken when they realize they need to wear the big boy pants to compete there.
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# 22
06-13-2010, 06:13 AM
I think some of it goes back to why do people insist on reading walk throughs rather than working out the STF for themselves, why do they ask about skill builds, trait builds, equipment load outs. Some of it comes down to time, some of it comes down to not wanting to look foolish when they get jumped on by some players who forget they were new to the game once as well. Some of it is also economy. It takes more resources to work out the answers without assistance so they want to avail themselves of the experience of those who have gone before.

Some groups will not accept anyone who admits to be a newcomer / first timer. They only want team mates they consider are almost as elite as they are Its the old saw - I'm inexperienced but no-one will give me the chance to gain experience. It also depends on the experience of the fleet they belong to, if they even belong to a fleet. So there are many incentives for asking for other's ideas rather than working it out for themselves.

I like working things out. I started pvping on the Klingon side and now I'm experimenting on Fed side. I die a lot but I'm getting better at healing my team mates and I'm adjusting skills and gear. But then I have the time to do this and I don't mind dying while I learn. I like researching for myself and I don't trust what I'm told by another - because it might not suit my style of play.

So for a while that DSSV blowing up in the middle of the PVP map is probably me...but it is happening less and less
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# 23
06-13-2010, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BountyXP View Post
Because to achieve BG5 on the Klingon side you had to PvP extensively. To reach RA5 on the Fed side all you have to do is fly around in PvE and set a beer can down on the space bar and you win. Way too many Fed-side role-players and "Captain Kirk's" that waltz into PvP expecting the same experience as PvE and are sorely mistaken when they realize they need to wear the big boy pants to compete there.
+1

Some guy wouldn't stop complaining how he couldn't take on a bop in pvp while in pve he could take on 3 cruisers at once.

Funny stuff.
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# 24
06-13-2010, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Miogaruna View Post
+1

Some guy wouldn't stop complaining how he couldn't take on a bop in pvp while in pve he could take on 3 cruisers at once.

Funny stuff.
Though, in all fairness, if he was complaining about not being able to take you in your BoP it's a special case.

Because you're evil.
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# 25
06-14-2010, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Badlander View Post
.......for themselvs.

I see ppl on the forums always asking for the best pvp build. I have an answer for you. It is the build that fits your playstyle best. Most of us who do well in pvp have tried many skill point builds, BO officer skills and such.

You ppl who do not figure stuff out for yourselvs only hurt yourselvs. If a build works good for player X it does not mean that same build will work for player Y. Most of the players asking for help don't even give us any info that might help us help you.

The best pvpers take the time to figure something out. They see what works best and does not for them.

I have also seen many ppl with solid builds do horrable in pvp. Pvp is not just a matter of build it is a matter
of knowing what to do at the right time and what not to do.

Good example. Many are crying that thier escort got over nerfed. Hmm, after trying stuff, tweeking this and that i am doing fine and so are many other escort pilots in my fleet.

Ppl if you want to be good at pvp i will give you some tips.

1- First off..... NEVER judge if stuff is working for you if you are in a PUG! Hard to judge if stuff is good when you have others doing stupid stuff. Find a group that is doing good and stick with them for a bit.

2- Don't judge a build until you have tried it for a bit. A new build can take some time to get used to.

3- DON'T be stupid. I see ppl run into 5 on the other side and wonder why did i die in no time at all, this build sucks.

4- REMEMBER.... the ship does not make the pilot the pilot makes the ship. All a good build can do is make a great pilot awsome and a poor pilot a bit better.

3- Practice, practice, practice. Go into PVE maps like in B'tran and get used to your new build. Then pvp once you have gotten used to where your skills are on the keyboard and used to how they work.

4- If you get nuked by something find out what it was, how to avoid or fix it. Also, never be afriad to run away and come back after what is messing you up is gone.

5- Learn to fly the ship itself. THIS is a big one. If you can't fly the ship you are dead meat.........!!!!!!!!

You will not always be the top dog in score. If you die 20 times in a pvp match look at yourself before you say others are OP. Learn and learn more.

If you that think just cuz you have a good build and you get owned that stuff is OP, insted you may want to say either... that person was good or that team knows how to work together. Look at what a pilot may have done that got you in trouble. Learn to counter it and ALSO see if you can figure out how to do that yourself

Last point, most battles will not be 1v1. Learn to work as a team player. If the team you are on sucks find a group that does not. A good fleet that likes to pvp is a good start.

Did not write this to offend anyone. All of us are willing to help those willing to help themselvs, but we can't fly the ship for you. Much is up to you.

Almost forgot this point added after reading another post. Do not change a ton of stuff on your build at once. Change 1 or 2 things then test it. If something does not work change it back or try something else. By changing to much at one time you really can not tell what helped/hurt you.

/peace
This is a solid post...only 2 things i would like to add....make that 3.

1. PVE matches can be decent practice....but mostly impractical. even on the hardest pve settings it doesnt come close to pvp combat against another intellegent (in optimal circumstances) being. So even if you are getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild....it pays to be persistent...you can learn alot.

2. Pride....we all have issues with it...when you can learn to put your pride aside and congradulate your adversary and try to build repore with him you have now made an ally...with whom you can share information and theory-crafting....no im not talking about trying to intentionally spy on people...im talking about advancing ourselves as a community instead of individuals...I am friendly with quite a few people from quite a few different fleets and share information about builds...skills...tactics with them all the time openly...the more information we know the more we can advance ourselves...which creates a higher challenge....which is the whole point of pvp.

3. And this is the most important....The #1 most critical element to sucessful pvp combat is communication. Proper communication ensures proper tactical target selection, healing, manuvering, et cetera. If you are on the fringe of the pvp circle and want to really delve into it....i would HIGHLY suggest getting involved with a pvp fleet...that has some form of voice communication...Ventrillo, Teamspeak, or another form...This one element can absolutely make or break a pvp match.

Case in point....ive been on the recieving and distributing end of a good flogging in pvp matches when mine or the other teams vent accidentally crashes or drops for some reason...you would be extremely surprised how much we that are in existing pvp fleets use this form of communication both in matches andoutside them as well to review tactics, builds, skills, various teamwork aspects, and just giving each other crap when we do something stupid or funny.

Love,

Xigent
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# 26
06-14-2010, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Badlander View Post
He was tact escort... using beam overload 1 in both spots, no rappid fire AT ALL and to top it off he was all cannons and did not know that beam overload did not work with cannons!
/emote *double_facepalm*
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# 27
06-14-2010, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Miogaruna View Post
+1

Some guy wouldn't stop complaining how he couldn't take on a bop in pvp while in pve he could take on 3 cruisers at once.

Funny stuff.
STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!!!!1!!!1!!!!one!!11!!!!!
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# 28
06-14-2010, 09:43 AM
A lot of people use it as a template then drift from there based on their own experiences.

Also it's never bad to listen to other experienced player's suggestions.

Even the greatest players such as myself might pick something up that was overlooked.


HAHAHA ok that was silly. I never overlook anything!
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# 29
06-17-2010, 02:15 PM
I am glad to see that others have posted some good things i did not put in. Good work all and keep it up.

/peace
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# 30
06-17-2010, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Blenda
But why am I better?. I am the same person, I don't get a lobotomy before I play as a Federation player.
Maybe you did and just don't remember it?:p

Mainly though everybody else is right, PvP is just easier as a Klink.

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Originally Posted by BountyXP View Post
Because to achieve BG5 on the Klingon side you had to PvP extensively. To reach RA5 on the Fed side all you have to do is fly around in PvE and set a beer can down on the space bar and you win. Way too many Fed-side role-players and "Captain Kirk's" that waltz into PvP expecting the same experience as PvE and are sorely mistaken when they realize they need to wear the big boy pants to compete there.
too true.
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