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# 1111
06-18-2010, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kronoso1979 View Post
um I'm not the one siding with a whiner because they put a few items into the c-store and you didn't like it. if your 33 shouldn't be trying to convince me to join your side or some kind of conservative crap like that?
Actually I think the conservative position would be to favor free markets, but that is getting into politics and we don't want to do that.
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# 1112
06-18-2010, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kronoso1979 View Post
sounds like more rage from you to me but I think you and I are done have a good day young man. let me know when your not mad about the uniforms anymore. and I will apologize for misreading your ship name I wasn't my glasses right then.
No rage here.

No rage in the truth.
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# 1113
06-18-2010, 04:58 PM
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Actually I think the conservative position would be to favor free markets, but that is getting into politics and we don't want to do that.
A completely free market answers to no authority. A completely free market actually discourages competition and encourages monopolies. This is because in a free market, a company is more than free to bind people who do business with them to anti-competitive practices. There are very good reasons that only those with short memories or those who did not study the history of government regulation of corporations remain ignorant of.

Simple boycotts are insufficient because in a global economy, there's always a large enough population who is either ignorant of the boycott's existence, willfully ignorance of it's reason, or simply doesn't care.

One big example of the reason for government regulation is the old mining towns that were borderline slave labor. Anyone who signed up to work in the mines of these specific companies ended up not being paid enough to leave or even survive anywhere else. They had to buy things only from the company run store, which heavily discounted everything to employees. This may sound good but they only made enough to barely survive off of the discounted goods. With the severe lack of wages being made, they could not afford to look elsewhere for work, let alone leave the mining town. Thanks regulation, this was put to a stop.

There was an incident in Columbine, a massacre. But it wasn't the one you're thinking of right now. It was a similar mining town. But yes it is the same Columbine. This was the first massacre in Columbine. The mining company that owned the town gunned down all of the miners in cold blood. The company owned the town so they owned the police. All those miners, dead, because of some greedy mining corporation. It wasn't the only such mining town massacre.

In a free market, Radithor would be allowed to still be on the shelves. The jaws of atheletes and alternative health fanatics everywhere would have their jaws fall off. Thankfully regulation ended this kind of thing.

In a free market, a Cryptic could give you a discount to playing the game if you signed a contract agreeing to not play the MMOs of any competitors. Guess what, there's a law against that anti-competitive practice too. That law in particular is called the Clayton Act.

The bottom line is that free market is the antithesis to itself. It's like anarchy. All anarchy does is allow a tyrant to take over. The big fish have to be kept in line so that the little fish can thrive, compete, and actually allow for a the market to be more free than it would be without regulation.
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# 1114
06-18-2010, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Metallurgist
A completely free market answers to no authority. A completely free market actually discourages competition and encourages monopolies. This is because in a free market, a company is more than free to bind people who do business with them to anti-competitive practices. There are very good reasons that only those with short memories or those who did not study the history of government regulation of corporations remain ignorant of.

Simple boycotts are insufficient because in a global economy, there's always a large enough population who is either ignorant of the boycott's existence, willfully ignorance of it's reason, or simply doesn't care.

One big example of the reason for government regulation is the old mining towns that were borderline slave labor. Anyone who signed up to work in the mines of these specific companies ended up not being paid enough to leave or even survive anywhere else. They had to buy things only from the company run store, which heavily discounted everything to employees. This may sound good but they only made enough to barely survive off of the discounted goods. With the severe lack of wages being made, they could not afford to look elsewhere for work, let alone leave the mining town. Thanks regulation, this was put to a stop.

In a free market, Radithor would be allowed to still be on the shelves. The jaws of atheletes and alternative health fanatics everywhere would have their jaws fall off. Thankfully regulation ended this kind of thing.

In a free market, a Cryptic could give you a discount to playing the game if you signed a contract agreeing to not play the MMOs of any competitors. Guess what, there's a law against that anti-competitive practice too. That law in particular is called the Clayton Act.

The bottom line is that free market is the antithesis to itself. It's like anarchy. All anarchy does is allow a tyrant to take over. The big fish have to be kept in line so that the little fish can thrive, compete, and actually allow for a the market to be more free than it would be without regulation.
just take them to court and get it over with bro. Maybe they should just go ahead and shut the game down. then you'd be happy then. Then you could be happy because then you'd have ruined it for us all.
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# 1115
06-18-2010, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kronoso1979 View Post
just take them to court and get it over with bro. Maybe they should just go ahead and shut the game down. then you'd be happy then. Then you could be happy because then you'd have ruined it for us all.
and he misses the target again....
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# 1116
06-18-2010, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Metallurgist
A completely free market answers to no authority. A completely free market actually discourages competition and encourages monopolies. This is because in a free market, a company is more than free to bind people who do business with them to anti-competitive practices. There are very good reasons that only those with short memories or those who did not study the history of government regulation of corporations remain ignorant of.

Simple boycotts are insufficient because in a global economy, there's always a large enough population who is either ignorant of the boycott's existence, willfully ignorance of it's reason, or simply doesn't care.

One big example of the reason for government regulation is the old mining towns that were borderline slave labor. Anyone who signed up to work in the mines of these specific companies ended up not being paid enough to leave or even survive anywhere else. They had to buy things only from the company run store, which heavily discounted everything to employees. This may sound good but they only made enough to barely survive off of the discounted goods. With the severe lack of wages being made, they could not afford to look elsewhere for work, let alone leave the mining town. Thanks regulation, this was put to a stop.

In a free market, Radithor would be allowed to still be on the shelves. The jaws of atheletes and alternative health fanatics everywhere would have their jaws fall off. Thankfully regulation ended this kind of thing.

In a free market, a Cryptic could give you a discount to playing the game if you signed a contract agreeing to not play the MMOs of any competitors. Guess what, there's a law against that anti-competitive practice too. That law in particular is called the Clayton Act.

The bottom line is that free market is the antithesis to itself. It's like anarchy. All anarchy does is allow a tyrant to take over. The big fish have to be kept in line so that the little fish can thrive, compete, and actually allow for a the market to be more free than it would be without regulation.
As I stated in that very same line which you quoted, politics should stay out of it. kronoso1979 suggested that your side represented the conservative side. I was merely trying to point out that it is hardly so clear cut by showing how the conservatives may in fact support Cryptic in this matter. kronoso1979 has his own reasons for believing you represent the conservative side and I see no reason to try to explain his stand in the matter. But if you want to argue with him about whether your position is liberal or conservative have at it. I am staying out of that mess.
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# 1117
06-18-2010, 05:19 PM
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As I stated in that very same line which you quoted, politics should stay out of it. kronoso1979 suggested that your side represented the conservative side. I was merely trying to point out that it is hardly so clear cut by showing how the conservatives may in fact support Cryptic in this matter. kronoso1979 has his own reasons for believing you represent the conservative side and I see no reason to try to explain his stand in the matter. But if you want to argue with him about whether your position is liberal or conservative have at it. I am staying out of that mess.
There may be a matter of the Atlantic to deal with. On the American side of the Atlantic "liberal" means the same thing as "conservative" in Europe. that is that in Europe, "liberal" is is essentially libertarian or minarchist. That is an anarchy like free market where corporations can do anything they want. Including gunning down miners who think that the mining company is being unfair. By the way, did you know that since the company store was so integral to keeping the employees loyal that traveling salesmen would mysteriously disappear when traveling through the mining towns? And yes, this happened in America.

As for me, I'm in the US and a moderate. Neither left nor right. I cherry pick my ideals based on what seems right to me, not what a party tells me my ideals should be. I think that Government regulations of corporations should be limited only to discouraging anti-competitive practices, protecting employees from being treated like cattle, and protecting consumers from being scammed. If it does anything outside of those three things, it's probably a bad idea.

But you're right, politics needs to say out of it. This is about how the COLTS customers were duped into buying the COLTS by deceptive marketing practices, perpetrated by Daeke.
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# 1118
06-18-2010, 05:23 PM
Is Daeke still with Cryptic?
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# 1119
06-18-2010, 05:28 PM
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Is Daeke still with Cryptic?
No idea, it doesn't matter. If someone buys Oxyclean based on claims made by Billy Mays and there's something fradulent about the claims Billy Mays made, the Oxyclean company still has to own up to it, even though Billy Mays was 1: just a pitch man, 2: is currently deceased, and 3: the company made no effort at the time to clear up the issue prior to the product going up for sale.

We all bought the COLTS based on a sales pitch by Cryptic's pitch man.
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# 1120
06-18-2010, 05:28 PM
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and he misses the target again....
not really but your a 33 year old man continuing to try and get me to continue to fight with you again.... awww i can make a plaine jane statement too and put a bunch of periods after it.......
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