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# 11
06-15-2010, 03:48 PM
This is a hard way to learn this lesson. But it is a lesson that many consumers need to learn.

MMORPGs are:

1- Not long-lived like people think they are.
2- Filled with unforseen future money sinks.

First of all, MMORPGs are still video games. That they have a lifecyle or playability longer than, say, Pac-Man or Mass Effect 2 is pretty radical enough. But the word lifetime plays on your perceptions. A great example is Lord of the Rings Online. A lifetime sub was offered for that game. It was a huge chunk of change up front. And the word lifetime makes you think it will last as long as Everquest or World of ********. But that's not the case. Treat a lifetime sub as a 2 year sub, and anything past that is LUCK.

You do that and you realize it's not all that great a savings.

LOTRO's going Free To Play.

I paid for about four to five months of subscription service to LOTRO. And who knows, now that it's free I could go back and play it some more. Or not. But I spent less on the game.

Because MMO's are like that. You leave. Just like you stop playing any video game.

And you come back to it. Just like a lot of gamers fire up their old favorites and take them back out for a spin.

But you don't pay for the months you're not playing when you do that. You cancel. And re-sub. And save money.

The other thing is ... there's going to be future money sinks. In MMORPGs they're usually called EXPANSIONS. Lifetime subs do not cover the cost of expansions.

This is a hard lesson to learn. And it sucks to learn it the way you learned it OP. But take heed. You have now learned this lesson. MMORPGs are fun. And you can enjoy the ride. But don't be fooled by the word "lifetime" in the Lifetime Sub offer. It's not what it seems. It's not a great value. It's not a great savings. It's why they have to offer OTHER PERKS to push people into buying them in the first place.

Save your money. Play MMORPGs one month at a time. Or if you really like the beta or the demo ... quarterly. Anything past that and you lock yourself into an expensive investment that doesn't reflect the viability or stability of the video gaming industry at all.
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# 12
06-15-2010, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by s32ndDamian View Post
Didn't you pay less for the Lifetime Sub than the people who bought it later??
I'm pretty sure you saved $$$$$.
Use that to buy a MU uniform today.
Hooray for reading a post in it's entirety. I already have it because of the CO lifetime account. My main lament is no longer having anything to say "Yes, I have a lifetime account on both games." It would at least be nice to have a title or something to say "lifetime on CO as well". But I'm not going to complain too loudly. So I saved money. What do I spend it on? The rest of the preorder options. After that? Then what? Oh well.
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# 13 An Idea!
06-15-2010, 03:50 PM
I had the thought today that Cryptic could turn this around and try to please some of the lifetimers by, in the future, releasing new STO items to the lifer's first and then after a period of time expand it to the rest of the player base.

I don't feel they need to do this to keep me happy. I am happy the way things are playing out. I just offer an alternative to try and please some of the player base. Of course I realize even this will displease some. It is the nature of the universe that not all beings can be pleased all at one time.
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# 14
06-15-2010, 03:50 PM
I used to play Pirates of the Burning Sea. I was really good and I didn't need a strategy guide. You know what? Because I never felt the need to purchase a strat guide, I never, ever, in my years of play, was able to get a parrot to ride around on my shoulder.

As much as it kinda sucks for me to no longer have exclusive access to this cool awesome item that practically no one else in the game had, as well as the other preorder and store bonuses that people can now purchase, overall I'm happy we can get them now. I hate the idea that there is content in the game that I will never, ever, ever have access to just because I didn't preorder from the right place or buy at the right time.

It was the right thing to do, even though I personally am wounded by it. Look at the larger whole.
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# 15
06-15-2010, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Metallurgist
This also isn't a lawyer thread. It's about confidence and trust. I fully expected the stuff to be eventually made availible. They did that with the preorder runs on City of Heroes, so even with experience I expected it. But I didn't expect it to occur this soon.

It's also a matter of trusting the advertising propaganda.
So it's not about the terms of your purchase.

It's not that former "exclusives" are now available in the C-Store.

It's not even that you're surprised by Cryptic's move, as you're aware they've done it with other games.

It's just that they put these items in the C-Store too soon?

I'm still confused, as the above post doesn't seem to reflect the concerns you stated in your first post.
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# 16
06-15-2010, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Metallurgist
Hooray for reading a post in it's entirety. I already have it because of the CO lifetime account. My main lament is no longer having anything to say "Yes, I have a lifetime account on both games." It would at least be nice to have a title or something to say "lifetime on CO as well". But I'm not going to complain too loudly. So I saved money. What do I spend it on? The rest of the preorder options. After that? Then what? Oh well.
HOORAY for creating this epic fail of a thread.
Not gonna complain "too" loudly, just create this thread?!?!
HOORAY for pointing out the fact I was just trying to say you saved $$$ and yeah, that is actually worth something...more than the uniform in fact, rofl.
Enjoy your river of tears, like I pointed out I was kind of bent, but someone point ed out it's just pixels, not really worth crying over if you enjoy playing the game.
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# 17
06-15-2010, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by s32ndDamian View Post
I'm on your side of the fence on this Nagus...thanks for helping me see the light.
That and these f'in doomsday threads are getting old, lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by s32ndDamian View Post
HOORAY for creating this epic fail of a thread.
Not gonna complain "too" loudly, just create this thread?!?!
HOORAY for pointing out the fact I was just trying to say you saved $$$ and yeah, that is actually worth something...more than the uniform in fact, rofl.
Enjoy your river of tears, like I pointed out I was kind of bent, but someone point ed out it's just pixels, not really worth crying over if you enjoy playing the game.
I can complain quite loudly and in a much less civil tone. I have done so in the past.

I'm not pronouncing doom. You must have a problem with reading comprehension. Either that or you must have a problem with being able to see things as anything other than black or white. I'm simply stating that the practical consequence of what's been added to the cstore is that Cryptic has lost credibility. It's not doomsday. It's not the end of the game. It's simply that Cryptic lost some credibility with my household today. This is a bad thing. It's mild as far as bad things go, but it's still bad.

However, if you think that any bad thing must automatically be "OMG! DOOMSDAY!" then might I suggest someone else's thread? I'm being very even tempered about this here and I don't appreciate you trying to goad me like that. I might also point out that goading is infraction worthy. I know about that one first hand. Believe me. Please try to be civil alright?
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# 18
06-15-2010, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Metallurgist
This also isn't a lawyer thread. It's about confidence and trust. I fully expected the stuff to be eventually made availible. They did that with the preorder runs on City of Heroes, so even with experience I expected it. But I didn't expect it to occur this soon.

It's also a matter of trusting the advertising propaganda.
Those are your personal expectations. The fact of the matter is that they can do anything they want at any time with their property. Just because they released them this soon doesn't make it wrong. When you purchased your stuff those items were exclusive and stayed exclusive until today. There was nothing that said how long they would remain exclusive. The advertisements were not misleading, but perhaps your view of them was. I'm not talking about you specifically, this applies to many people who feel cheated.
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# 19
06-15-2010, 04:02 PM
I understand why you're saying what you are. However, the bonus items were just that, bonuses, or incentives, and they were exclusive for a time. What you paid for when you bought the Champions Online Lifetime Sub, and the Star Trek Online Lifetime Sub were the ability to play those games for the life of the game, and never have to pay for those games again.

You'll be able to play both of those games for years to come, and to me, that's where the value of the Lifetime Sub lies. It's not in the Mirror Universe Uniform perk, the Liberated Borg Species, or any other special perk.

Meanwhile, lots of other players were wanting some of those items, and missed out on the opportunity to get them. We feel that allowing those players the opportunity to get them is a good thing.

Thanks,

Stormshade
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# 20
06-15-2010, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by StormShade
I understand why you're saying what you are. However, the bonus items were just that, bonuses, or incentives, and they were exclusive for a time. What you paid for when you bought the Champions Online Lifetime Sub, and the Star Trek Online Lifetime Sub were the ability to play those games for the life of the game, and never have to pay for those games again.

You'll be able to play both of those games for years to come, and to me, that's where the value of the Lifetime Sub lies. It's not in the Mirror Universe Uniform perk, the Liberated Borg Species, or any other special perk.

Meanwhile, lots of other players were wanting some of those items, and missed out on the opportunity to get them. We feel that allowing those players the opportunity to get them is a good thing.

Thanks,

Stormshade
Yeah, I understand. Honestly, I don't think exclusives are very wise anyway for exactly those reasons. And I'm not really very upset. It's just what happened with the cstore today is going to factor into my future purchase decisions. Other people may experience hyperbolic discounting, but I don't. I'd rather bide my time and get it at 1% the cost. If you think about it, that's almost exactly the ratio there. 1% the cost. Personally I feel the CO MU uniform is priced too low. It should be maybe 1000 CP, not 280...

I mean seriously, the Gamestop preorder TOS Enterprise is 1000cp and the mirror universe uniform is about a third that... It just seems... odd...
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