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# 11
06-17-2010, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by xXLocutusXx
here here...

but at the same time if i hear its going on the cstore... bye bye sto... ive played and bought a lifetime sub...but to be honest...its gettin get to the point that all the carebears which is a HUGE amount is that if they cry hard enouph youlll just do it... This item should remain exclusive to referal program. And I would also love to hear a response to this question.

on a personal note...if people want the ship...they can work for it instead of sittin on there butts and doin nothing other then purchasing cryptic points and getting gear... some things need to be exclusive "perminantly". Just my thoughts.
There are a few things I'm wondering and maybe you'd be willing to answer.

1. Did you recommend people to join the game or buy five new copies and sub for a month?

2. If you recommended people did you recommend it because you enjoy it and think it's a good game or because you wanted the Galaxy X?

3. If you recommended people did you tell them why they had to use a referral key? Basically did you tell them you were going to get a kick ass ship?

4. Given that Jentai admits to essentially paying for it then letting some friends play to try the game and he / she isn't looking at it as Cryptic screwing anyone over, why are you so worked up over the potential of it happening?

5. Would you feel the same if you were paying month to month subscription?

The end point I have is perhaps one that you and other lifetime members have already realised. If you quit STO over this it will have no impact on them at all since your money covers a normal monthly subscription up to around 1 1/2 years. In fact you'd likely be saving them money in doing so.
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# 12
06-17-2010, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by xXLocutusXx
here here...

but at the same time if i hear its going on the cstore... bye bye sto... ive played and bought a lifetime sub...but to be honest...its gettin get to the point that all the carebears which is a HUGE amount is that if they cry hard enouph youlll just do it... This item should remain exclusive to referal program. And I would also love to hear a response to this question.

on a personal note...if people want the ship...they can work for it instead of sittin on there butts and doin nothing other then purchasing cryptic points and getting gear... some things need to be exclusive "perminantly". Just my thoughts.
Agree completely the haves are always outnumbered by the have nots so "it will always be in cryptics best interest" to sell out
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# 13
06-17-2010, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dyonas View Post
There are a few things I'm wondering and maybe you'd be willing to answer.

1. Did you recommend people to join the game or buy five new copies and sub for a month?

2. If you recommended people did you recommend it because you enjoy it and think it's a good game or because you wanted the Galaxy X?

3. If you recommended people did you tell them why they had to use a referral key? Basically did you tell them you were going to get a kick ass ship?

4. Given that Jentai admits to essentially paying for it then letting some friends play to try the game and he / she isn't looking at it as Cryptic screwing anyone over, why are you so worked up over the potential of it happening?

5. Would you feel the same if you were paying month to month subscription?

The end point I have is perhaps one that you and other lifetime members have already realised. If you quit STO over this it will have no impact on them at all since your money covers a normal monthly subscription up to around 1 1/2 years. In fact you'd likely be saving them money in doing so.
1 join

2 Because I enjoy it I was already talking to 3 coworkers about the game anyway
3 yes I did why wouldn't I
4 doesn't apply to me
5 Yes I would
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# 14
06-17-2010, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dyonas View Post
I can see why some are upset over the offering of pre-order items via the C-Store after buying multiple copies but as has been pointed out numerous times the pre-order FAQ made it pretty clear they would likely be available at some point after launch.
Please STOP with the PRE-ORDER EXCLUSIVES FAQ argument. The FAQ was nowhere in the point of sale process. If something is advertised as a PRE-ORDER EXCLUSIVE, there should be no question in anyone's mind that it is exclusive only to those that pre-order. Why would someone have to go to a FAQ page about that? Heck, it's even printed right on the game box:

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EXCLUSIVE ! UNIQUE BORG BRIDGE OFFICER
I'm not even upset about the items going up. It's just that the FAQ argument is irrelevant. Why can't people just admit that Cryptic deliberately misled their customers. BTW, they have been known to edit their release pages. Sure, the FAQ says it NOW.

And I'd like to answer your questions too, if I may.

1. Did you recommend people to join the game or buy five new copies and sub for a month?

Neither.

2. If you recommended people did you recommend it because you enjoy it and think it's a good game or because you wanted the Galaxy X?

I wanted the Galaxy-X, and I think it's a good game. I did not recommend the game to anyone. I offered an incentive for using my key to people that had already made the decision to purchase.


3. If you recommended people did you tell them why they had to use a referral key? Basically did you tell them you were going to get a kick ass ship?

I did if they asked. They can read all about it on the referral page which is directly linked in all referral emails.

4. Given that Jentai admits to essentially paying for it then letting some friends play to try the game and he / she isn't looking at it as Cryptic screwing anyone over, why are you so worked up over the potential of it happening?

I'm not, but it would just confirm Cryptic's lack of consideration for it's dedicated player base.

5. Would you feel the same if you were paying month to month subscription?

Yes, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.
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# 15
06-17-2010, 04:37 AM
I would buy it if it were in the C-Store along with the photonic boff, but the boff is listed as exclusive, and the ship is listed as
"A special ship: The Tier 5 "All Good Things" Galaxy Class. " on the referral page. So the boff would fall under exclusive, but that might not stop them from adding it. The Ship, because of the wording I almost am sure that it will eventually make its way into the C-Store. The boff might be just a vendor exclusive, but I would not use the word exclusive and then put it in the C-Store. The Ship looks as if it is a possibility.....

Not trying to upset anyone but they did not even use the word unique with this offer.
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# 16
06-17-2010, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cygnus-X-1
Please STOP with the PRE-ORDER EXCLUSIVES FAQ argument. The FAQ was nowhere in the point of sale process. If something is advertised as a PRE-ORDER EXCLUSIVE, there should be no question in anyone's mind that it is exclusive only to those that preorder. Why would someone have to go to a FAQ page about that? Heck, it's even printed right on the game box:



I'm not even upset about the items going up. It's just that the FAQ argument is irrelevant. Why can't people just admit that Cryptic deliberately misled their customers. BTW, they have been known to edit their release pages. Sure, the FAQ says it NOW.
Cryptic came out and said they were offering the preorder exclusives, as vendor exclusives. they are still available from their respective vendors. I would agree that the FAQ does apply and is relevant. The logic is that they are still selling them with game as incentives, so its makes sense to sell the incentives alone.
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# 17
06-17-2010, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by picardalpha2clearance View Post
Cryptic came out and said they were offering the preorder exclusives, as vendor exclusives. they are still available from their respective vendors. I would agree that the FAQ does apply and is relevant. The logic is that they are still selling them with game as incentives, so its makes sense to sell the incentives alone.
Then why not list them as Vendor Bonuses? Why did they list them as Pre-Order Exclusives? You don't find that misleading or shady in the least? Why should I have to seek out a FAQ page to find out what the 'real' deal is? To me, there was no question.
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# 18
06-17-2010, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cygnus-X-1
Then why not list them as Vendor Bonuses? Why did they list them as Pre-Order Exclusives? You don't find that misleading or shady in the least? Why should I have to seek out a FAQ page to find out what the 'real' deal is? To me, there was no question.
Qouted for truth I have posted the same argument time after time it's ludicrous that you have to go to a webpage before buying a videogame
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# 19
06-17-2010, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cygnus-X-1
Then why not list them as Vendor Bonuses? Why did they list them as Pre-Order Exclusives? You don't find that misleading or shady in the least? Why should I have to seek out a FAQ page to find out what the 'real' deal is? To me, there was no question.
I'm not defending their decision by mentioning the pre-order FAQ but it is there and was there to be found. It's like a great many sites that have little 'surprise' terms hidden away that you have to hunt for yet you're bound to them. It's still relevant even if it stinks and the use of the word exclusive is like a huge many other terms used online. Unlimited with limits, exclusive that isn't always exclusive forever. I've fallen foul of ridiculous and misleading terms like this before, I know it's crappy and I hate it but your only choices are to forget it and move on or stop playing and paying.

The reason I asked if people would still be complaining if they were paying monthly (aimed at lifetime members) is that they paid out a large sum that I and others didn't for other exclusives and I thought perhaps if they hadn't you might not feel as strongly about this. Basically that they might be worried their liberated Borg may become available at some point after they've splashed out a fairly sizable chunk of money.
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# 20
06-17-2010, 09:27 AM
I don't recall my post indicating i was ANGRY at Cryptic.....i was simply pointing out that IF they do infact put everything in the C-Store regardless of how it is initailly obtained then i will simply hold off and get it cheaper later. I see no reason to jump through hoops/spend more money then i have to if i can get the same item simply by waiting a few months.

I don't want the Galaxy X because i think its going to be an uber WTF PWN Mobile, i just want it for my collection

I am using the Galaxy X as my test bed....if it makes it into the C-Store in a few months like all the preorder goodies then that is an indication that EVERYTHING will make it into the C-Store a little while after initial release....and i'm okay with that....just want to be sure thats the case so i can save myself a few bucks
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