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# 1041
04-29-2011, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamingbadger View Post
if you look at the photo from the remastered series, the height of the fairing is larger at the back than the front. in the model for STO its constant, they have taken the height from the back and used it all the way through leaving it too big at the front.

The shuttle name in the right place would be nice too
I think what I want most of all is to know what you mean by "fairing" Something on the flanks? Bow? Aft? The Gunwales? The winglets to which the nacelles are attached?
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# 1042
04-29-2011, 11:02 PM
I see what's being suggested. I peeked at my Star Fleet Technical Manual (the one by Franz Joseph). The roof of the Type-F Shuttlecraft displays a slight incline as you look from the bow toward the aft. So this creates the illusion that the two sides that raise above the roof are shorter in the bow. Clearly, this was a stylistic decision for the TV model. It's so slight as to not indicate any reason/function.

So the Art Dept could lower the aft roof slightly on the in-game model. Or design raised sides to display lower toward the bow. Either would offer the stylistic effect.
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# 1043
04-29-2011, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AngelSilhouette View Post
I think what I want most of all is to know what you mean by "fairing" Something on the flanks? Bow? Aft? The Gunwales? The winglets to which the nacelles are attached?
the curved component of the walls of the shuttle craft at the top, "gunwhales" possibly

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Originally Posted by Psi'a Meese
I see what's being suggested. I peeked at my Star Fleet Technical Manual (the one by Franz Joseph). The roof of the Type-F Shuttlecraft displays a slight incline as you look from the bow toward the aft. So this creates the illusion that the two sides that raise above the roof are shorter in the bow. Clearly, this was a stylistic decision for the TV model. It's so slight as to not indicate any reason/function.

So the Art Dept could lower the aft roof slightly on the in-game model. Or design raised sides to display lower toward the bow. Either would offer the stylistic effect.
yup you have it... when i was younger i always assumed that this was for "areo-dynamics" :>
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# 1044
04-30-2011, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Psi'a Meese
I see what's being suggested. I peeked at my Star Fleet Technical Manual (the one by Franz Joseph). The roof of the Type-F Shuttlecraft displays a slight incline as you look from the bow toward the aft. So this creates the illusion that the two sides that raise above the roof are shorter in the bow. Clearly, this was a stylistic decision for the TV model. It's so slight as to not indicate any reason/function.

So the Art Dept could lower the aft roof slightly on the in-game model. Or design raised sides to display lower toward the bow. Either would offer the stylistic effect.
So is the overhead lower at the bow or higher? I'm guessing higher, as you're saying the gunwales are shorter at the bow than at the aft, but I don't want to just assume.

=edit=

Nevermind, I see. I've added this picture to the front page indicating that the dotted line in the side shot is the roofline.
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# 1045
05-02-2011, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AngelSilhouette View Post
So is the overhead lower at the bow or higher? I'm guessing higher, as you're saying the gunwales are shorter at the bow than at the aft, but I don't want to just assume.

=edit=

Nevermind, I see. I've added this picture to the front page indicating that the dotted line in the side shot is the roofline.

The gunwales at the bow should be smaller in height above "the roof" of the shuttle, I think at the stern they are the right size,
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# 1046
05-02-2011, 06:48 PM
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The gunwales at the bow should be smaller in height above "the roof" of the shuttle, I think at the stern they are the right size,
The roof slopes from bow to stern, that's why the gunwales look taller in the rear: The hull at the stern is lower than the hull at the bow.
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# 1047
05-02-2011, 11:26 PM
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The roof slopes from bow to stern, that's why the gunwales look taller in the rear: The hull at the stern is lower than the hull at the bow.
yes thats correct
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# 1048
05-03-2011, 05:51 PM
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yes thats correct
That is why I posted that picture on the front page to demonstrate the canted upper hull and fantail.
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# 1049
05-04-2011, 01:45 PM
this has to have been mentioned by now (to many pages! needs a summerize/cleanup me thinks!) but its driving me insane beyond the fubar scale of the ships (of which is understandable 100% though)
the Constitution Refit does NOT have inboard fins on the back of the Nacelles...
i've at least 4 model kits of these suckers, and its in the referances linked on the first page.
http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...A/IMG_1885.JPG
http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...A/IMG_2056.JPG

sitting behind my conny in game drives me mad seeing those :p i don't know why, but above all other flaws that it has, that one irks me the most atm.. maybe its the 1:350 model i've sitting on my desk beside the monitor and needs its Nacelles decaled still, i dunno, but hot dang its driving me mad! :p

i'll go shutup now.

Edit: oh yeah, and the outboard isn't supposed to be litup on the Conny refits, me thinks that was a miranda thing...
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# 1050
05-05-2011, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by GrimCW View Post
this has to have been mentioned by now (to many pages! needs a summerize/cleanup me thinks!)
The summary is on page 1. Typically the first page you should read so you understand the gist of the rest of the thread.

I have added the constitution's inboard fins to the front page, but had to sacrifice some punctuation to fit it in. Was able to turn a url into a tiny.cc url, but had to trim some periods to fit the rest in.

Can someone go through the list and tell me if anything has been fixed so it can be removed from the list?
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