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# 521
08-24-2010, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Direphoenix View Post
Also, the big section on top of the nacelles seems like it should be glowing blue like most other warp nacelles, but instead it's solid hull plating and whatever the secondary color is


*I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like the navigational deflector is either too low or too small or a combination of both.
The deflector array does seem too small:

http://imgur.com/bui5t.jpg

http://imgur.com/hRm3j.jpg

However I'm fine with the top of the nacelles not glowing, as it fits in with what we saw on screen most of the time:

http://imgur.com/sQPD0.jpg

http://imgur.com/0dG5y.jpg

http://imgur.com/sUDNJ.jpg

http://imgur.com/9lOFI.jpg

http://imgur.com/EcBDh.jpg
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# 522
08-24-2010, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AngelSilhouette View Post
Works for me...
Well, I tried it again (now for the third time), and it's working for me too now. Uh... thanks? Cool pic, that one!
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# 523
08-24-2010, 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amosov
The deflector array does seem too small:

http://imgur.com/bui5t.jpg

http://imgur.com/hRm3j.jpg

However I'm fine with the top of the nacelles not glowing, as it fits in with what we saw on screen most of the time:

http://imgur.com/sQPD0.jpg

http://imgur.com/0dG5y.jpg

http://imgur.com/sUDNJ.jpg

http://imgur.com/9lOFI.jpg

http://imgur.com/EcBDh.jpg


Don't forget we have actual hi res model shots on the first page.

Ex 1: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1724.JPG

Ex 2: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1723.JPG (Dig the decal)

Ex 3: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1728.JPG (Check the nacelle registry and UFP text and fantail ship identification sans "USS")

Ex 4: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1729.JPG (And another "Lakota" on the keel, facing aft. Where is the shuttle bay supposed to be? That little silver thumbnail on the fantail?)

Ex 5: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/Lakota.html

Does the game Excelsior use phaser strips or canonical banks like the model above has?
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# 524
08-25-2010, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AngelSilhouette View Post
Don't forget we have actual hi res model shots on the first page.

Ex 1: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1724.JPG

Ex 2: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1723.JPG (Dig the decal)

Ex 3: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1728.JPG (Check the nacelle registry and UFP text and fantail ship identification sans "USS")

Ex 4: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...a/IMG_1729.JPG (And another "Lakota" on the keel, facing aft. Where is the shuttle bay supposed to be? That little silver thumbnail on the fantail?)

Ex 5: http://www.mutara.net/Christies/Lakota.html

Does the game Excelsior use phaser strips or canonical banks like the model above has?
AHH... I think I see what's going on here. There are actually some subtle changes between the original NX Excelsior and the refit Excelsior models beside the slapping on of extra pieces...

The secondary hull windows above the navigational deflector are not there on the original NX Excelsior, and that model does have a larger navigational deflector cavity than the refit models.

In the STO models, perhaps to make it easier for modeling both the T3 and T5 versions, they both use the same base hull structures, which includes not only the front hull windows, but also the same smaller deflector cavity as the refit. The game model is designed to be able to just slap on the extra ridge around the deflector for the T5 version.
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# 525
08-25-2010, 12:18 PM
With the announcement of the ENT J and NX 01 coming I just want to BEG that they please have moving Bussard collectors. The NX 01 had spinning Bussard collectors and the ENT J was meant to as seen in the vid here 9 minutes and 19 secs in http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/categ.../enterprise-j/

The Sovereign had moving animation in its Bussard collectors in the movies which sadly didn't make it in game so hopefully these ships will get them.
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Got some annotated comparisons of the Nacelle/Pylon strut joints that incorrectly make the Constitution Class Refit appear longer in-game

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53362963@N03/4929120518/


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# 527
08-26-2010, 07:42 AM
I posted this on the tribble forum (don't know what I was thinking, since I obviously know about this thread)

I did some looking last night into this. The windows are from the Lakota variant. See also:
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/enterprise-b
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/excelsior

At first I thought the deflector was too small/ too low. But, truthfully, that Excelsior in spacedock pick shows that there is a lot of hull betweeen the neck and the deflector.
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# 528
08-26-2010, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Valiant797 View Post
I posted this on the tribble forum (don't know what I was thinking, since I obviously know about this thread)

I did some looking last night into this. The windows are from the Lakota variant. See also:
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/enterprise-b
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/excelsior

At first I thought the deflector was too small/ too low. But, truthfully, that Excelsior in spacedock pick shows that there is a lot of hull betweeen the neck and the deflector.
I think it also has to do with the colored line/strip near the top of the secondary hull not being there in-game, it helps break up the height of the hull.
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# 529
08-26-2010, 06:37 PM
Having played around with the T3 Excelsior, I'm bothered by the photon tubes being placed within those forward, dorsal openings. I could be mistakan, but those square indention's weren't clearly defined. But I recall assumptions that small support craft sat behind small doors there? Technically, the photon tubes are those smaller holes to either side of the secondary hull. Which made it into the design but aren't being used. Below that row of forward windows?

I'm not really fond of the beam hardpoints on the front edge of the saucer either. While that style is typical of original STO designs, they are just out of place on the older cruiser styles. Granted that isn't the Art Department's decision to put them there. I hated seeing my dual phaser fire from the edges instead of an upper or lower phaser strips. If a decision were made to shift phaser from the saucer edge, it would free the artists to remove those entirely. Which would, IMO, improve the visual style of the starship. Those short phaser strips as opposed to the 23rd century banks don't bother me at all. I see it as a starship design modified for 25th century standards.

I also found the nacelle windows a bit out of place. I thought to myself, 'what a weird place for an observation lounge.' We know from TNG that the Galaxy nacelles were large enough to house a support room of some kind. Enterprise did this again later. Though these rooms were located deep enough to not have windows.
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# 530
08-26-2010, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Psi'a Meese
Having played around with the T3 Excelsior, I'm bothered by the photon tubes being placed within those forward, dorsal openings. I could be mistakan, but those square indention's weren't clearly defined. But I recall assumptions that small support craft sat behind small doors there? Technically, the photon tubes are those smaller holes to either side of the secondary hull. Which made it into the design but aren't being used. Below that row of forward windows?
The Excelsior fired torpedoes from the secondary hull in Star Trek VI, however the Enterprise-B's MSD showed torpedo launchers situated in those openings on the neck.
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