Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 21
06-28-2010, 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 910burns View Post

(2) Nero changed the Timeline.
Nero had nothing to do with the destruction of Romulus, that was a result of a super nova. Now if Vulcan was destroyed in game, that would be a totally different story.


The Romulan Star Empire as we knew it only exists in name only. The Klingon Empire went through several civil wars to what we see now. Cardassian Union was crushed and still in shambles. The only factions that we do not know the condition on are"
Ferengi, we do know Rom is Grand Negus (one can only guess at the changes that were made)
Breen, situatiuon unknown
Dominion, though there still are remnant forces in the Alpha Quadrant.

All in all, ONLY the Federation still maintains the same Govt from the end of Nemesis to now (Federation is more militant albeit)

IT is not too far fetched that with the situation of the Romulan Star Empire that the Federation would simply ignore part of all of the Treaty of Algeron.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 22
06-28-2010, 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askray View Post
Btw it's canon not cannon ^^ and what's wrong with a connie ship? It was in canon and i'm sure if a captain REALLY wanted to use it, they could of pulled one out of mothballs :p
yes yes smartalec heh

tbh theres nothing wrong with the tos connie being in game, but its part of cannon as much as the all good things galaxy is, tbh neither belong in this time frame but its a game..... stuff like this happens... if it makes you feal better, star trek always has an excuse... Q made them.. there gal-x conundrum solved.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 23
06-28-2010, 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 910burns View Post
Odd.... Nero's name, and the entire series of events from the movie, continually show up in the storyline. There's even a statment "Nero showed us the way . . ." in the mission dialogue.

Comment by Askray refuted... we ARE playing in an altered timeline!
Uh failed.

The events of the hobus incident were done BEFORE STXI. It was just in the movie thus making it canon however it was in the comic book leading UP to it.

We are NOT in the STXI time line. That has been commented about 40 thousand times by cryptic and as such to the obviousness of it, VULCAN is still in game.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 24
06-28-2010, 03:16 PM
Quibbling over this is pointless.

Yeah, the Federation knows how to build transwarp corridors, regenerative shielding and reverse assimilation but they dont have a single clue how to build a cloaking device as simple as the one Kirk handed to them on a platter for study ?

'Blah blah blah Federation dont use cloaks'

The Federation dont use them because:
A) They never needed to:
Except when they DID in DS9... and they went and got one via the Romulans
Except when they DID in TNG... and they went and got one via the Klingons

As such the Federation DOES recognise the tactical value of the tech and WILL take means to use it when required. I think wartime qualifies as a pretty big requirement for a tactical advantage, no ?

B) The treaty with the Romulans

Cryptic can write that treaty off and this is irrelevant, even without such the status of the game makes such a treaty stupid.
The treaty dosent even need to be written off only the indication that the Romulans are willing to let the infractions slide because they wont / cant push the issue. The treaty was put in place when the Romulans were in a much stronger position. They are no longer in that position.

You can whine and moan it violates the treaty but the reality is the Romulans are not in a positon to enforce that treaty and they may not even see the need to enforce it.

The Defiant cloak was technically not supposed to be used outside of the Gamma Quadrant and only with a Romulan onboard. Did the Romulans automatically go to war with the Federation when neither condition was met even when they signed the non-aggression pact with the Dominion ?

It is far more likely the Romulans are willing to let infractions slide as long as the Federation serve their purposes in doing so. As such, Federation ships with cloaking devices that can be used to fight the Borg, Klingons, Undine, Terrans, Cardassians, Dominion and everyone else means the Federation get to do the fighting while the Romulans can secretly rebuild their Empire to a point they will be able to hold the Federation back to the full extent of the treaty.


Oh noes !

Trying to apply immersive Role Play politics to the game and tell a decent story rather than rely on rigid Star Trek canon 'rules' which even the ******n canon broke to serve their story purposes... that is so much better.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 25
06-28-2010, 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DES_SNIPER View Post
Nero had nothing to do with the destruction of Romulus, that was a result of a super nova. Now if Vulcan was destroyed in game, that would be a totally different story.
Yes, this is an interesting hole in the flow, since Vulcan WAS destroyed in the movie. But the destruction of Romulus occured at the very beginning of the altered timeline. This was the trigger for Nero to go back in time, and change the timeline.

FAST FORWARD.

Romulus is AGAIN destroyed, and we learn it was the Reman who are responsible.
Klingons are making Augments... and extention of another elisode
While there is no "Dominion Empire", there is a "New Link" and the founders are not exterminated.

Lots of room for flex, especially since Section 31 has in-game demonstration of cloaking technology on Federation ships. It is this one point that makes Fed cloak completely within STO canon.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 26
06-28-2010, 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 910burns View Post
Yes, this is an interesting hole in the flow, since Vulcan WAS destroyed in the movie. But the destruction of Romulus occured at the very beginning of the altered timeline. This was the trigger for Nero to go back in time, and change the timeline.

FAST FORWARD.

Romulus is AGAIN destroyed, and we learn it was the Reman who are responsible.
Klingons are making Augments... and extention of another elisode
While there is no "Dominion Empire", there is a "New Link" and the founders are not exterminated.

Lots of room for flex, especially since Section 31 has in-game demonstration of cloaking technology on Federation ships. It is this one point that makes Fed cloak completely within STO canon.
Hold on. You're way WAY off

In PRIME timeline (what we're playing in) - Romulus was destroied by the hobus star going super nova. Nero and spock were pulled into a blackwhole and considered KIA'd which obviously they went to an alternate universe.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 27
06-28-2010, 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Sheridan
'Blah blah blah Federation dont use cloaks'

The Federation dont use them because:
A) They never needed to:
Except when they DID in DS9... and they went and got one via the Romulans
Except when they DID in TNG... and they went and got one via the Klingons.
Your forgetting the first time. Jame T. Kirk captured a "Cloaking Device" from the Romulans, in fact stealing it from their ship. Scotty successfully hooked it up to the TOS Connie and make it work.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 28
06-28-2010, 03:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 910burns View Post
Yes, this is an interesting hole in the flow, since Vulcan WAS destroyed in the movie. But the destruction of Romulus occured at the very beginning of the altered timeline. This was the trigger for Nero to go back in time, and change the timeline.

FAST FORWARD.

Romulus is AGAIN destroyed, and we learn it was the Reman who are responsible.
Klingons are making Augments... and extention of another elisode
While there is no "Dominion Empire", there is a "New Link" and the founders are not exterminated.

Lots of room for flex, especially since Section 31 has in-game demonstration of cloaking technology on Federation ships. It is this one point that makes Fed cloak completely within STO canon.

no... the destruction of rumulus happened in what's called the prime time line. ( TOS TNG DS9 VOY, and ENT ) the planet was destroyed. spock used the red matter to stop the super nova from destroying more of the sector. the red matter cause a black hole, and it formed a kind of time traveling worm hole in space. nero went in first, and then he kill kirks dad cause the time line to split.

we are in the prime time line, vulcan is safe. in the JJ time line vulcan is destroyed.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 29
06-28-2010, 03:24 PM
and btw if you're really seriously thinking we're in an alternate universe -

http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline-alternate

Quote:
Star Trek Online is set in the "prime" Star Trek reality. This is the timeline of the five television series and the first 10 movies. It is the world in which the Gorn attacked Cestus III, Kirk fought Khan in the Mutara Nebula, Picard explored the galaxy, the Federation fought the Dominion War, Voyager was stranded in the Delta Quadrant and Captain Archer and the crew of the NX-01 showed us how it all began.

Events in the movie that happened in the prime timeline (the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Spock and Nero) have affected STO. You can learn more about the aftermath of these events in the Path to 2409 and in STO itself.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 30
06-28-2010, 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askray View Post
In PRIME timeline (what we're playing in) - Romulus was destroied by the hobus star going super nova. Nero and spock were pulled into a blackwhole and considered KIA'd which obviously they went to an alternate universe.
Explain "Nero showed us the way."

in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.

Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:33 AM.