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# 31
06-28-2010, 02:29 PM
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Explain "Nero showed us the way."

in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.

Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
you have to remember that Nero had his ship enhanced with Borg tech, and he destroyed a Klingon fleet. him showing the way could mean that the romulins need to use borg tech more, and be come more violent.
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# 32
06-28-2010, 02:32 PM
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and btw if you're really seriously thinking we're in an alternate universe -

http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline-alternate
YES.... But read that text with an open eye:

Events in the movie that happened in the prime timeline (the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Spock and Nero) have affected STO. . . .So how can the movie and STO be in different realities? . . . Parallel universes are self-contained, separate realities that exist as a consequence of different choices and outcomes. This concept was explored in the TNG episode "Parallels," in which there were thousands of alternate timelines (and thousands of Enterprises!). It also is seen in the Mirror Universe, which is a darker take on the world of the Federation.

As I said, we are in an altered timeline... LIVE WITH IT.

P.S. Thank you for your reference, as it just proved my point.

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you have to remember that Nero had his ship enhanced with Borg tech, and he destroyed a Klingon fleet. him showing the way could mean that the romulins need to use borg tech more, and be come more violent.
EXACTLY! And isn't this exactly what the Romulans are doing in the STO storyline?
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# 33
06-28-2010, 02:32 PM
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Explain "Nero showed us the way."

in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.

Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
Read my post above or http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline-alternate I will even bold the part that is of interest to you

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Star Trek Online is set in the "prime" Star Trek reality.
I don't have to explain any mission dialogue. It's a done deal this is prime timeline. You cannot argue it, you cannot dispute it. Cryptic has said that's how it is, and guess what? That's how it is

As for your fact about the fed-cloak. I'm glad you couldn't be more wrong. As I stated earlier (post #17)
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However, I could of sworn I read in the needs of the many the treaty was considered null and void.
Do I want the federation to have cloaking? IF the treaty is explained yes. If not, no. Because it's not canon. Argue all you want, but with the treaty in play, the federation would NEVER EVER EVER build a fleet of cloaked vessels to start a war. Regardless of that fact, as long as the treaty is explained away i'm fine with it. Please do not assume facts about me without actually knowing me. (Considering this has been my stance all along)
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# 34
06-28-2010, 02:33 PM
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YES.... But read that text with an open eye:

Events in the movie that happened in the prime timeline (the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Spock and Nero) have affected STO. . . .So how can the movie and STO be in different realities? . . . Parallel universes are self-contained, separate realities that exist as a consequence of different choices and outcomes. This concept was explored in the TNG episode "Parallels," in which there were thousands of alternate timelines (and thousands of Enterprises!). It also is seen in the Mirror Universe, which is a darker take on the world of the Federation.

As I said, we are in an altered timeline... LIVE WITH IT.

P.S. Thank you for your reference, as it just proved my point.
Okay now i'm trying to decide if you're not a troll or just not paying attention

THE HOBUS EVENT HAPPENED BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN CAME OUT READ THE COMIC BOOK LEADING UP TO IT ><
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# 35
06-28-2010, 02:33 PM
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Explain "Nero showed us the way."

in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.

Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
I was not trying to say that I don't want to see Fed cloaks. What I am saying is that it violates canon. As to Nero's comment, I refer you to Path to 2409:

http://www.startrekonline.com/node/235/long

"Starfleet immediately orders all available ships to cross the Neutral Zone and assist the Romulans with any possible relief and recovery efforts. Several of these ships are attacked by Nero, who is captaining the Narada, a heavily modified Romulan vessel. Additional cruisers are diverted to escort relief vessels to Romulan space.
Intercepted Romulan transmissions indicate that Praetor Chulan and the leaders of the Senate escaped Romulus before the planet's destruction. But the USS Nobel, en route to Romulus, find the bodies of Chulan and the Senate's ruling council floating in space near their derelict shuttle.
After Nero expands his attacks to Klingon ships, Chancellor Martok orders a fleet to enter Romulan space. He appoints his friend Worf as one of the mission's commanders, giving him the rank of General for the mission. "


They are following the story of the Countdown comic series. In it a fleet of over 50 ships was destroyed by a single ship, The Narada. He became famous for showing how the adaption of borg technology could conquer the Galaxy.
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# 36
06-28-2010, 02:35 PM
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Explain "Nero showed us the way."
By what coincidence that a Romulan miner would happen to be named "Nero". Nero being one, if not the worst, of the Roman Ceasers

Maybe in ST:XII the main character will be named "Ahab" or "Nemo"
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# 37
06-28-2010, 02:35 PM
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They are following the story of the Countdown comic series. In it a fleet of over 50 ships was destroyed by a single ship, The Narada. He became famous for showing how the adaption of borg technology could conquer the Galaxy.
Bingo... this right here.
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# 38
06-28-2010, 02:36 PM
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Explain "Nero showed us the way."

in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.

Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
Nero was a humble miner who initially worked with Spock in the prime timeline to procure decalithium for refining into red matter. There were some concerns on both the Vulcan and Romulan sides that this collaboration was a bad idea.

He was away from Romulus when the Supernova destroyed it, and this made him crack. He took his humble mining ship, the Narada, and rescued what was left of the Romulan Senate. (Which is how he obtained the staff he carries in ST XI) As way of thanks, the Narada was upgraded with Borg Technology at a secret Romulan base.

Still in the prime timeline; he went on a rampage, attacking the Federation and Klingons before heading for Vulcan to enact his vengence on Spock. At about the same time, Spock activated the Red Matter and defused the Supernova, causing the Black Hole that sucked his ship and the Narada in. The rest, as they say, is lensflarey.

So yeah, in short... Nero had a bit of an impact on the Prime Universe as well. Hence showing Romulans 'The Way'.
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# 39
06-28-2010, 02:38 PM
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Okay now i'm trying to decide if you're not a troll or just not paying attention HE HOBUS EVENT HAPPENED BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN CAME OUT READ THE COMIC BOOK LEADING UP TO IT ><
I don't hink a "Comic Book" sets the stage. Further, my prior post QUOTED STO's EXPLANATION that you so nicely provided. You keep using one line out of context. The paragrach CONFIRMS that the timeline is altered.

So yes, I am paying attention. Your not reading your own refferences. So sorry.
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# 40
06-28-2010, 02:40 PM
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I don't hink a "Comic Book" sets the stage. .
Star Trek: Countdown is a four-issue series of comics from IDW Publishing. The series is a prequel tie-in to the 2009 film, Star Trek. It serves as both a lead up to the film and a continuation of the Star Trek: The Next Generation era. The story details the back-story of Nero, the Romulan villain of the film. It takes place in the year 2387, eight years after Star Trek Nemesis, and explains how Nero and Spock ended up in the 23rd century.


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