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We all know that in MMO's there are certain class wars. Those that have and those that have not. But it is from some players working for it, getting lucky with drops, and/or selling and buying the right things. (Anyone can do it or choose not to do it.) However, it seems game store items (real world money) is now playing a part in these class wars (as it does irl). (Not everyone can earn it or is automatically excluded becuase they do not wish to sink more money into a game.) Cryptic gave an edge to certain accounts/players from day one with the liberated borg (LB). (Some players say the LB are the best toons to use in Borg TFs.)** Cryptic technically started a small class war between lifers and subs with vet rewards. (That is a foolish one, and, thankfully, disappeared quickly.) Cryptic will spark another small class war for those that buy items, and those that do not buy items from the C-Store.*** (In the future, as long as this game is P2P, and lifers buy the items and subs do not, what will happen when certain items are giving as vet rewards to sub accounts to keep the major money flow coming? (I'm 90% sure the game will remain P2P. Cryptic is making money from subs accounts, and both account types buying C-Store items)) But I feel the worst class war is about to come and possibly create imbalance in PvP. The Galaxy X edge is a great innate ability in the phaser lance.**** The Caitian are built for ground warfare, and cannot be duplicated using Alien as your toon's archetype. Both are SF exclusive items, both have to be bought. Is the coming Galaxy X, and SF only archtypes going to give a small edge to SF in PvP?

**I do not know. I am a sub, and I have no intension of buying C-Points ATM.
***Thankfully my son gave up on the game and is no longer bugging me for C-Points.
****If you are cloaked, line up a shoot and uncloak you get a nice hit on your target - especially the slow moving/turning carrier.
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# 2
06-30-2010, 10:07 AM
You raise some good points- I think there was nothing wrong with introducing "exclusive" items in the C-Store, that's just good business sense.

But if those items actually do provide their owners with an advantage, it's an ugly turn of events. So, the question I have is: do the Galaxy X, Liberated Borg, and Caitian racials really give a clear advantage?

Yes, I understand that each of these items represents something otherwise unobtainable, but those benefits seem minimal at best: I suspect that they do not provide a clear (and therefore clearly unfair) advantage over items/races that are available to all players.

So, do these items really represent something that can't be countered or matched by other skills or items?
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# 3
06-30-2010, 10:09 AM
I have a Caitian character. Yeah, the racial is neat, but as long as some content doesnt demand or prefer that I jump higher than others (well, apart from that lag-and-rubberband suckfest that is the last room in Infected), it's not noticably better than, say, a Betazoid with similar detection powers or Vulcans with their own special attack as well.
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# 4
06-30-2010, 10:16 AM
For reference the only ratial trait Lib borg get that you can't pick up in the alien creator a ground stunning power, its optional and all the lib borg characters I know didn't even bother picking it.
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# 5
06-30-2010, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_blue
So, do these items really represent something that can't be countered or matched by other skills or items?
If you have two men equally trained, but one has a slight advantage with technology, then not really. Hypothetical, I have an escort on me as I do little movement in my carrier, and wham! Someone in a Galaxy X uncloakes, lances me and the fight is over in no time. There is no countering that. The carrier is too slow, and horrible at turning, the BoP and Raptor too weak, and all attention may have to go on that one ship before it cloaks, runs away and lances again. So if Galaxy X floods the SF side then it can be unbalanced. In the case of GPvP, which is pretty much dead, the Feline Traits +2 can make for a nice, powerful ground warrior. Jumping can make a quicker exit when going over items that can be barely cleared by most toons or just shy of one jump and you need two. I can even think of how to use a Caitian to setup a trap in Assimilated cruiser in the eng room that cannot be countered becuase no toon can jump out of it - except maybe a Caitian.
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I have a Caitian character. Yeah, the racial is neat, but as long as some content doesnt demand or prefer that I jump higher than others (well, apart from that lag-and-rubberband suckfest that is the last room in Infected), it's not noticably better than, say, a Betazoid with similar detection powers or Vulcans with their own special attack as well.
I'm asking is there an imbalance in special traits which can give SF an advantage in PvP. Certain toons make for better captains in certain areas which can boost stats. If you take a premade you'll get the bonus (2 to 5 traits) plus 2 to 4 selectable traits. On the Fed side you have many archetypes to choose or go with the four trait alien. KDF have three plus alien. Technically I can make a human/betaziod/vulcan on the KDF side, but it will lack 2 traits that a human/betaziod/vulcan toon gets (not to mention the tribble buff - but that may be countered soon).


The point is that in order to get these advantages, not only do you have to use real money to buy them, they are faction limited. So is it going to create not only the class war among those that have to buy, but also those that cannot use them period becuase of there prefered faction/toon?
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# 6
06-30-2010, 11:41 AM
I disagree. I have found no special advantages that are not availible to all who play STO or are gamebreaking in thier design. I have both a LB and JT, and niether one of my toons has any advantage over anybody else that I'm aware of ingame. As for the Gal-x, it looks pretty but doesn't live up to the hype.
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# 7
06-30-2010, 12:35 PM
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I disagree. I have found no special advantages that are not availible to all who play STO or are gamebreaking in thier design. I have both a LB and JT, and niether one of my toons has any advantage over anybody else that I'm aware of ingame. As for the Gal-x, it looks pretty but doesn't live up to the hype.
Fair enough. Thank you. As for the Galaxy X, I'm not so sure. I think once they start popping up in numbers in PvP it will make a difference: two or three uncloak, and spam lance at the same time to clear out/weaken the KDF in a Fed Ball in Capture or the main fight in Assult. I hope I am wrong.
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# 8
06-30-2010, 01:09 PM
There is also the class war of those that are able to afford the monthly sub and those that cannot.

The reality is that most of the special items and most of the c-store items offer absolutely no benefit what so ever to a player. The one's that do tend to be situational and are also hardly a benefit.

Additionally, due to the game's base difficulty, the minor benefits achieved through these very select items is hardly of any notice. Maybe helps kill something 0.4 seconds faster (OMG OVERPOWERED!!!111!!).
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# 9
07-02-2010, 05:41 AM
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There is also the class war of those that are able to afford the monthly sub and those that cannot.

The reality is that most of the special items and most of the c-store items offer absolutely no benefit what so ever to a player. The one's that do tend to be situational and are also hardly a benefit.

Additionally, due to the game's base difficulty, the minor benefits achieved through these very select items is hardly of any notice. Maybe helps kill something 0.4 seconds faster (OMG OVERPOWERED!!!111!!).
Thanks, I had no idea Cryptic is responsible for the RL class war. And thanks for making it relevant to this discussion.


Items in the C-Store do offer benefits - even QoL bragging rights. They have specif buffs and defubbs associated with archetype and item, and in the case of Galaxy X, an innate weapon with massive damage under the right conditions. And you acknowledge it when you point out "most." I never said, nor even implied Overpowered. (Thanks, I laughed when I read that.) But yes, a good PvP'er is looking for the .4 second chance to win - any +/-1 to any buff or debuff is always good. My question is: are the number of options that are being giving to one faction giving a SLIGHT advantage over the other faction. As for the Galaxy X no one can really say, but others say no to archetype.

Either way, after the 6th it makes no difference to me - and look forward to reading what S2 has/has not done to the game.
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