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# 1 GMTiyshen
06-30-2010, 01:23 AM
So, Im looking down the list of threads in this forum section... and Im noticing that she has closed a large pecentage of them.

Im torn between wanting to think

"God damn. Cryptic cant stand any negative feedback, and yet they keep making bad-faith judgements."

and


"God damn. Are there that many freaking threads that have degenerated into mindless back and forth bickering?"



So as for the C-Store. Theres alot of arguing about what "exclusive" exactly means, and about the inherent fairness of putting an item that is obtainable via A, on the C-Store for a fraction of A.
(I will not stoop to pointing out that any and all items, obtainable or restricted are, infact, all Cryptic's intellectual property, and not actually "owned" by subscribers. Oops.)

In the military, we take orders. When you volunteer to join, you volunteer with the understanding that, while occupation, location, and duty station can be negotiated with, the simple fact of the matter is, you can agree on any and all of these things with your detailer, and he/she can turn right around and cut you orders that dont match anything the two of you talked about. Guess what? Youll go where your orders send you. No "compensation" needed. You volunteered to join. (Kinda like agreeing to a ToS, but much more cleaning.)


Having said that piece, there is such a thing as a "bad faith manuever". Just because you are not obligated to fulfill a theoretical agreement, that people may or may not have put effort into, doesnt mean that stepping on the spirit of that agreement is a blameless action on your part.

Did/Does Cryptic pull/continue to pull bad faith manuevers? Oh absolutely. Without question. Un apologetically, I might add. Is Cryptic "riding the STO rocket till its out of fuel"? It would certaintly seem so.

But people. These forum wars are not the answer. They could never be.

What "we" the community are doing, is taking good, honest, truthful threads, where we point out that we feel wronged, by a bad faith manuever, or a unwise decision, or what have you... and we let it degrade into a personal, one on one, or one on two, or group versus group insult war.

If your only point in jumping on a thread, is to insult the OP, (And yes, I do count that smarmy little "intellectual rebuttal" thing you guys try to hide behind an insult; if you continue to reply to someone past 2 posts in an effort to prove them wrong, then its personal, not academic.) then you are failing to make an actual point. I do not refer to trolls, i refer to people who, on the surface, would seem to be counter-arguing, but are infact, pushing back the notion of thread advancement.

Resorting to all out war with people, over being kicked in the fuzzies by a big-game studio, is like wrestling in the special olympics: You both look retarded, and the people on the sides are either guffawing, or hiding their eyes in shame.

Keep it constructive. Or stay off of it. GMTiyshen will thank you.
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# 2
06-30-2010, 02:05 AM
Ya know, at first, I was going to do my little "IBTL" routine (haven't gotten to use this picture in a while), but I've gotta say that you do have a point, Mythgraven. Not necessarily the way I would've made it, heh, but a good one (in my opinion) nonetheless.

While I'm not sure if we'll ever be able to ease the raging and tears that comes with an on-line game forum (and a Star Trek one, at that), I think it does do better when people don't try to bring down threads because of personal feelings towards a poster (or posters). I, among many others, have been guilty of doing that to at least some extent or another, but it gets (and, I think, *is*) pretty useless and, well, bad.

I'm not liking too much what Cryptic is doing with the recent C-Store additions (in the 1st 'threadnaught', I said they should hold off on it (especially the MU uniforms) if anything, and I still maintain that; I'm ultimately for putting everything in there, but think their timing has been the problem), but I've given up on feeling betrayed by them. I assumed during the closed beta that my 6-month CO sub purchase got me in first, and I guess I decided then that I wouldn't be too surprised by whatever Cryptic did.

Not in a totally bad way, really; I just realized that Cryptic is a company like any other, and I had read too much into the situation. Eventually, I got into the CB, yadda yadda yadda, and I was impressed enough to go ahead and get the LTS pre-launch. I've gone from Cryptic Fanboi to borderline Cryptic hater and back again; I'm probably more of a fan, but, like with other companies (especially game companies), I try not to drink too much of the kool-aid.

Anyhoo, before I write a huge wall of text (too late, huh? ), I'm glad I actually read your post, Mythgraven; I had skimmed it, and planned on just moving onto another one (what I usually try to do when I read a 'crazy' post, which yours isn't, imo). Hopefully it won't be closed, but, if it is, I'd like to say thanks. (Little more abrasive than I would've wrote it, lol, but I agree with your message, Captain!)
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# 3
06-30-2010, 04:05 AM
I remember something similar in Age of Conan threads.

This is not good. We only criticize because we care about STO so much.

Not good at all. I expect this thread to be closed down soon too. GMTshyne will say something like this before closing the thread;

"Too much heat but no constructive feedbacks. Closing the thraed."

Just wait and watch =)

Age of Conan devs did the same and look at where it got them. This is not good =/
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# 4
06-30-2010, 08:34 AM
I think a lot of times people come to the forums to vent their frustrations and this is pretty much the only sounding board for that. I know when I start a post I don't go looking for an argument, I just want to voice my opinion in the hopes that some higher up will read it and pass along my feedback.

Personally, I get the impression that Cryptic doesn't care about feedback or cares to comment when people specifically ask for clarification. It feels very "out of sight, out of mind" to me and I don't like it. Customer feedback is supposed to be important to a company but it seems like in Cryptic's case unless that feedback is positive they couldn't care less about it.

As a customer, I don't like being played. Be very clear about your business practices up front. Don't use weasel words and don't make yourself unavailable to your customers. I'm still searching for a phone number to Crypic's customer service.
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# 5
06-30-2010, 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mythgraven View Post
"God damn. Cryptic cant stand any negative feedback, and yet they keep making bad-faith judgements."

and


"God damn. Are there that many freaking threads that have degenerated into mindless back and forth bickering?"
YES and YES.

Another thing that GMTiyshen notes is that "this tread contains too many fires. Closing Thread to contain"

If Cryptic spent as much time thinking over decisions before they implement them, then there wouldnt be so many "fires". 99% of the problems come from the fact that cryptic hs poor judgement as well as customer relations, possibly amongst the worst in the MMO industry.

IMO Crpytic is not helpin themsleves any from closing the thread as soon as some stats their opinions and sometimes facts about cryptic and their policy or services.

POSTED BEFORE CLOSED
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# 6
06-30-2010, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DES_SNIPER View Post
YES and YES.

Another thing that GMTiyshen notes is that "this tread contains too many fires. Closing Thread to contain"

If Cryptic spent as much time thinking over decisions before they implement them, then there wouldnt be so many "fires". 99% of the problems come from the fact that cryptic hs poor judgement as well as customer relations, possibly amongst the worst in the MMO industry.D
Did you ever read the 'Rules of Conduct document???
Quote:
(b) Rules Related to Interaction with Other Users. Communicating with other users and Cryptic representatives is an integral part of the Game and is referred to in this Agreement as "Chat." In addition, we and our designees host message boards, blogs, online discussions and other forums found on the Site (collectively, the "Forums") that permit you to interact with other users. When engaging in Chat in the Game, or otherwise using the Game, or when participating in the Forums, you may not:


(vi) Participate in anti-social, disruptive, or destructive behavior. This includes, but is not limited to, "flaming," "spamming" and "trolling." "Flaming" is defined as posting content that is deliberately hostile. "Spamming" is defined as repeatedly posting unwanted content. "Trolling" is defined as posting content that is deliberately intended to provoke a vehement response from other users;
Rules of Conduct | Star Trek Online Official Site:
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# 7
06-30-2010, 03:18 PM
Sad really Im from a country that was based on freedom of speech
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# 8
06-30-2010, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by andeolus View Post
I think a lot of times people come to the forums to vent their frustrations and this is pretty much the only sounding board for that. I know when I start a post I don't go looking for an argument, I just want to voice my opinion in the hopes that some higher up will read it and pass along my feedback.

Personally, I get the impression that Cryptic doesn't care about feedback or cares to comment when people specifically ask for clarification. It feels very "out of sight, out of mind" to me and I don't like it. Customer feedback is supposed to be important to a company but it seems like in Cryptic's case unless that feedback is positive they couldn't care less about it.

As a customer, I don't like being played. Be very clear about your business practices up front. Don't use weasel words and don't make yourself unavailable to your customers. I'm still searching for a phone number to Crypic's customer service.
Don't bother calling them tried for 2 days straight they don't answer the phone neither does atari tells what kind of customer service they have
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# 9
06-30-2010, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dojen
Sad really Im from a country that was based on freedom of speech
To bad this is a private forum, and on private forums freedom of speech does not exist. any private website or forum on the internet does not have to allow freedom os speech.

then again most people don't know this, so I can't blame you for not knowing it.
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# 10
06-30-2010, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Grouchy.Otaku
Did you ever read the 'Rules of Conduct document???

Rules of Conduct | Star Trek Online Official Site:
Thanks for specifying the rules of conduct?

Have you not read any of the threads locked by GMTiyshen yet?

Most of the threads never had any personal bickering/trolling/flaming. They were mostly threads about STO fans showing outrage over recent actions regarding "exclusives" and other equally STO loving fans, defending STO's decisions.

I see no reason why GMTyshen needs to lock pretty much ALL OF THE THREADS that criticize Cryptic's move? I thought only Funcom/Age of Conan would do such things. I guess I was wrong?
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