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# 31
07-10-2010, 06:45 AM
Klingons are a PvP race and for maybe 1 month after release there was enough PvP to actually do this. Now the matches have become 40 kills (insrtead of 15) and the reqwards lowered If that was not bad enough there is no one to PvP against in Tiers 1 - 4 making it almost impossible to use PvP to level.

Honestly I can not imagine why Cryptic did not take one look at WAR and think. Hmm there PvP tiers 1-3 are dead there is just not enough players joining every day to make this work. And WAR actual has meaning ful PvP wth realm wars and taking forts and attacking cities.
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# 32
07-10-2010, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by loomis113
i would love to have the first contact missions and the non combat ones for our side too :/
What I'm more worried about is that you MUST be a carrier for tier 6! Feds get 3 ships, Klinks only get carrier. Thats ********.
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# 33
07-10-2010, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by VitorFox View Post
Come on guys, lets be more impartial.

To start with, Klingons were announced from the start as a PvP race. Sure, leveling up by PvP and nebula exploarion is a bit dull, but you guys were meant to be the PvP focused guys.

You are getting some content now and you certainly will get more in the future, but try to be understanding that you guys were the pvp focused option for STO.

On ship variety, thats true... Federation gets a whole lot more choice on ships. Why? Well, first of, the federation is known to have the widest variety of ships while the klingons have a more direct no nonsense aproach to ship building. And not to forget, birds of prey can fill any roll any time, having the greatest versatility of any ship in the game. No two birds of prey are the same.

Demand more ships, demand more PvE. And so you should. But be understanding of your place in the universe, feds are plagued by their problems as well. And in the end, we are all playing the same game here.
No we were not, we were planned as a full faction that got toned down due to time constraints by Atari (forcing the game out in 2 years instead of 3 or 4). The Klingon faction was planned to be on equal footing with the Federation from the first interviews that were done.

I'm not going to blame Cryptic for making cuts due to deadlines, you have to do what you have to do; but time and again we've been promised to get stuff, and when we do it's lacking.

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What I'm more worried about is that you MUST be a carrier for tier 6! Feds get 3 ships, Klinks only get carrier. Thats ********.
To be fair, there is no T6, those new ships that are on tribble are being added to T5. Now their superiority is still in question, but if you ask me the new Fed ships will be massively overpowered due to the double commander slots that they have (anybody who knows how to use their ship will turn that into a massive advantage).

What really worries me is that the Devs will keep on giving the Federation overpowered abilities to make up for their general lack of skill that the players that are actually good on the Federation side will be completely unstoppable.
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# 34
07-10-2010, 11:22 AM
I think the addition of certain races' ships would be a nice filler for the Empire. And make them racially specific, with the players having to do a set of either PvP or PvE missions in order to get the right to use a type of vessel outside of their race. Now some races, like Lethians and Joined Trills have no racially identifiable ships in the game, so, they would obviously get the Klingon ships to start. But, have Orions start with Orion ships, Gorn with Gorn ships, and so forth. Each of these species has interesting abilities and quirks that will fill out the missing quantity of the KDF/KEF.

For instance, Gorn shield tech is supposed to be MUCH better than Fed shield tech. Orions have always been experts in repair and refitting, so they should get a boost to repair/regen rates that are noticeablly better than everyone else. Nausicaans are infamouse for their Combat Sciences, therefore, they should have ships with Science Officer slots and abilities for focused targeting, like the Feds. Pirates are pirates for a reason, and inaccuracy is NOT one of them.

So there, my contribution to this duscourse.
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# 35
07-10-2010, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by VitorFox View Post
Come on guys, lets be more impartial.

To start with, Klingons were announced from the start as a PvP race. Sure, leveling up by PvP and nebula exploarion is a bit dull, but you guys were meant to be the PvP focused guys.

You are getting some content now and you certainly will get more in the future, but try to be understanding that you guys were the pvp focused option for STO.

On ship variety, thats true... Federation gets a whole lot more choice on ships. Why? Well, first of, the federation is known to have the widest variety of ships while the klingons have a more direct no nonsense aproach to ship building. And not to forget, birds of prey can fill any roll any time, having the greatest versatility of any ship in the game. No two birds of prey are the same.

Demand more ships, demand more PvE. And so you should. But be understanding of your place in the universe, feds are plagued by their problems as well. And in the end, we are all playing the same game here.
YOu are so wrong that klingons was annouced from the start to be a pvp race
go watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAn3...eature=related

now before u state facts look up what been said ..
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# 36
07-10-2010, 01:51 PM
Another option ... look for common themes and elements from all the races of the Klingon faction and create a hybrid ship that is a unique design using the best from all of the races.

It is how the Federation starships came to be ... why not us as well.
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# 37
07-10-2010, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Luepert View Post
What I'm more worried about is that you MUST be a carrier for tier 6! Feds get 3 ships, Klinks only get carrier. Thats ********.
Technically, they are not supposed to be tier 6 ships but just another variety of tier 5 ships.

If they turn out better than that, I can already hear the swings of the nerfbat.
(Or, maybe if we are lucky, existing tier 5 ships get a boost?)

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The refitted T4 Federation ships have been requested repteatedly, so the Fed Players are once again getting EXACTLY what they wanted.
That's one perspective. The other perspective is that tons of players ask for this refit. Sure, they must be Fed players because Klingons don't care much whether they fight Star Cruisers or Galaxies in PvP. But the point is - more players.

Also I don't really remember the call for Klingon refits - until the fact that the refits are actually coming that is. No surprise that Klingon refits aren't there then. Check the forums for how long people are asking for refit options for their favorites. Now check again how many mentioned Klingon ships, and when that started.
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# 38
07-11-2010, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully View Post

Also I don't really remember the call for Klingon refits - until the fact that the refits are actually coming that is. No surprise that Klingon refits aren't there then. Check the forums for how long people are asking for refit options for their favorites. Now check again how many mentioned Klingon ships, and when that started.
Then remember harder, I proposed such a ship before the refits were actually announced.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=145478
Post #3
CommanderKor made a lengthy explanation in Post #8


Just like the Qang class was already discussed as some kind of refit for the Vor'cha before:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=146786

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=139847
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# 39
07-11-2010, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mister_dee
Then remember harder, I proposed such a ship before the refits were actually announced.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=145478
Post #3
CommanderKor made a lengthy explanation in Post #8


Just like the Qang class was already discussed as some kind of refit for the Vor'cha before:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=146786

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=139847
A Qang class would be unbelievably awesome, but Cryptic would have to go through some trouble getting the rights to make that ship. Im sure Capnlogan could do it justice though heh. I am rather dissapointed all we got was a carrier that isnt too attractive looking anyways. I really want a K'vort too.
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