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# 111
03-20-2009, 03:00 PM
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This didn't make any sense.
Didn't make much sense to me either, other than to whet players' appetites.

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They choose a goal and continue until they achieve it. The Borg are infinitely patient. They can afford to be.
If their sole purpose is assimilation of cultures and technologies, and they're so intent on getting the Federation's, then why stop and wait? Doesn't seem like a machine, however biologically supplemented, to be patient in tackling a problem. And how can they afford to be, since it's most likely that their target's level of scientific sophistication will only advance during that time, and it make more difficult to overcome (assuming the Borg, without this benefit, won't be doing the same)?

I'd love it if they did show up, they were still sporting Pentium processors against the latest in 25th-century hardware, and got blown out of the sky.
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# 112 Cool but Odd
03-20-2009, 09:25 PM
Interesting I find it odd though that they shut down the borg taskforce after only 7 years if my memory is correct they had ships patrolling the romulan neutral zone for over 50 years even though they had no contact with them. I think it is interesting that starfleet would give up so quickly on the taskforcce even though the bord is vastly more dangerous then the romulans.
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# 113
03-21-2009, 01:00 PM
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Interesting I find it odd though that they shut down the borg taskforce after only 7 years if my memory is correct they had ships patrolling the romulan neutral zone for over 50 years even though they had no contact with them. I think it is interesting that starfleet would give up so quickly on the taskforcce even though the bord is vastly more dangerous then the romulans.
The neutral zone was an established border right on the edge of Federation space and part of an active diplomatic agreement of non-aggression. The Borg as far as anyone without the benefit the game trailer knows (good call Sevenblade) are crippled and stranded 75 light years away in the delta quadrant. It is very difficult to ask people to plan and divert resources for an attack that they donít think will happen for almost a century if ever; and even that is working on the assumption that the Borg haven't found anything else more pressing to do.
If the trailer is showing one of the initial attacks of the Borg and it takes place during the time frame the game is set in it would still be another 24 years after this interview.

Once again I'm not saying I think its the right move but it's not nearly as unrealistic as people are making it out to be. To them it probably looks like when you get an old guy on the bus yelling about his German neighbor being a spy for the Kaiser.
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# 114
03-21-2009, 08:36 PM
I don't think peoples' opinion that the Borg are still a threat has anything to do with the trailer nor the knowledge that they will be antagonists in the game.

It is tactical common sense. The Borg were on the verge of destroying the Alpha quadrant. They are far stronger than the romulans or the Klingons would ever be, and thus a much larger threat to the Federation. It is a significant danger, that could easily never be considered 'solved'.

So while I can understand how Star Fleet 'Intelligence' would come to the opinion that the Alpha Quadrant is Borg Safe, I would say that I am sure there are many that still remember the threat from 8 years prior, and lose sleep over their potential return.

It is not like it has been 100 years without incident. It is not like if the Borg suddenly arrived, that the Federation could easily hold their ground. If they return, it will be ugly, and that is why people feel that Star Fleets decision to be foolish. It like saying that Los Angeles and San Francisco are safe from earthquakes because it has been a decade since a significant one, and thus, earthquake insurance is no longer needed.
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# 115
03-21-2009, 09:26 PM
This may be the best addition to the time line yet. I think the tone of 7 of 9's words fit her characterization, and it's simply nice to have one's thoughts confirmed. Other than that, what makes it really work is that it doesn't just dump the information, even though it only introduced one piece of major historical information, and a few biographical details, it did so in a memorable, readable, accessible, and entertaining manner. If the other time line parts were done as stories of various styles, it would, overall, be more effective.

On the the technical side, did you mean to write amenable instead of amiable? Or did 7 think of herself as an authority and the Institute being responsive to her, rather than open and friendly? That would actually fit 7.

Background wise, it doesn't make sense for Starfleet not to recognize the Doctor as a person. Data was determined to be his own person easily enough, and the Exo-comps and nanites were declared by Picard to be people, and presumably that determination was supported by Starfleet. However, it really isn't up to Starfleet, but whatever civilian governments. Starfleet can decide how it will treat people, but can't do that for the civilizations that make up the Federation. The real beef the Doctor had was a civilian one, outside Starfleet, over publishing rights and the like.
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# 116
03-21-2009, 09:48 PM
I agree with MajorD's comments about the Doctor and his sentient issue. I was surprised to see he issue arise, given the history with Data, the experiences on Voyager, etc. It does seem very 'anti-federationish'.

However, I do see the potential for game content coming from it, so on that note it makes some sense.
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# 117
03-21-2009, 10:56 PM
Guess this basically confirms that the Borg are gonna be back, bigger, badder, and better than ever...

I can't wait.
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# 118
03-22-2009, 07:13 AM
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I don't think peoples' opinion that the Borg are still a threat has anything to do with the trailer nor the knowledge that they will be antagonists in the game.

It is tactical common sense. The Borg were on the verge of destroying the Alpha quadrant. They are far stronger than the romulans or the Klingons would ever be, and thus a much larger threat to the Federation. It is a significant danger, that could easily never be considered 'solved'.

So while I can understand how Star Fleet 'Intelligence' would come to the opinion that the Alpha Quadrant is Borg Safe, I would say that I am sure there are many that still remember the threat from 8 years prior, and lose sleep over their potential return.

It is not like it has been 100 years without incident. It is not like if the Borg suddenly arrived, that the Federation could easily hold their ground. If they return, it will be ugly, and that is why people feel that Star Fleets decision to be foolish. It like saying that Los Angeles and San Francisco are safe from earthquakes because it has been a decade since a significant one, and thus, earthquake insurance is no longer needed.


Not only is in not common sense the Developers are going to have to write around the finale of Voyager to make any sense of it at all. Endgame was intended to show that the Borg had been crippled, stranded 75 years away and the queen was infected in a way that would spread to any of the collective that was linked to her.
The only common sense is that when you kill off a popular bad guy in fiction some writer will find a way to bring him back no matter how much it flies in the face of logic. Jason, magneto, Professor Moriarty, that kind of thing. The Borg arenít coming back because it makes sense, theyíre coming back because itís good for the game and a lot of us want to see them.

I guess the big difference between the Borg and Earth quakes would be Fault lines are in a fixed location actually under L.A. and donít go anywhere, and Iím not sure if youíre talking about a different Los Angeles but the last reported earth quake from the one I know happened yesterday. March 21 was the last time L.A. dealt with Earth quake activity. The last time before that? March 20th. Thereís always earth quake activity on the west coast, thatís why people by the insurance. This is more like putting Californiaís National Guard on high alert to watch out for Kamikaze pilots whoíve just been waiting for the right moment to make their move. Like how the Klingons will be something the Federation will deal with daily and the Borg may only pop up for big events and yes the only reason we even know that much is because we saw video of it in the trailer.

Just phrasing the same illogical argument in a condescending tone doesnít actually add any validity to it. Smug only really works when youíre making a good case. You might want to hold off on breaking out <--- this little guy until you have something a little better than that "earth quake" gem.
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# 119 Agree to Disagree
03-22-2009, 09:23 AM
Im afraid I can not agree with your assumption that the Borg are stranded Zombie. For all intents and purposes the Borg have treanswarp capability and if I do recall corectly in Voyager they still have one more of those wormhole cluster nexus thingies. Or is it 2? Even without a queen the borg would undoubtedly have backups in case unimatrix 01 went down. Im afraid with all the data that the federation got from Voyager it would seem to be a tragic tactical error of the federation to dissasemble the taskforce in light of the knowledge they have gained from seven and the rest of her crew.

Im not saying that this is a bad choice by the developers and that it shouldnt of happened, In fact it seems to follow along with the direction starfleet is going, making rash and not intelligent decisions because they are blinded by the aftermath of the dominion war and the unstable situation with the romulans not to mention the ongoing tention with the klingons and khitomer. I must applaud the developers on their story line it seems to be true to form and quite logical.
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# 120
03-22-2009, 02:46 PM
Voyager got stranded 75.000 lightyears away. They were in middel of Borg space in last episode so (I am guessing) 50.000 ly still to go. A distance we consider pretty safe after the collapsed transwarp center. Borg would have to use normal Warp for travelling that distance, so they better start the journey today for arrival in 2410. And if they consider to visit Romulus, they can come. We will disposal of them. I would rather fear Species 8472 How was that again? Cpt. Janeway detonated a bomb capable of disrupting their ships, resolting in a retreat of 8472? Tal Shiar only got little information on that. Poor Ensign Harry got infected by only one touch of the monstrousity.

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