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# 151 1st person viewing.
03-27-2009, 10:13 AM
Loekii I am using knowledge from the game to make my assumptions and statements. One thing I am not doin is goin to a canon and looking 200 years into the future and basing that knowledge on what is goin to happen. If their is one thing I know its that canons can change and even if they dont a lot can happen in 200 years. Also another reason I am not using "possible future events" is because the federation cant see into the future and so neither can I. My perspective are from a "in their shoes mentallity" not a 3rd person observer perspective.

Another thing I do use use the knowledge that cryptic has given be in the "path to 2409" segments they have posted if you click on them they go into more detail and show you the rising tentions between the federations and its border races.

And one last thing the "Lawn" statement I made is exactly the same as your "tornado/termite" example except its put in a more explainable context that actually fits with the federations view.
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# 152 Thanks Seven
03-27-2009, 10:17 AM
Oh and thank you Sevenblade for showing the reletive "path to 2409" segments and putting them in proper context. Its nice to know people are using the actual game back story to help interpret what is likely to happen in the game.
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# 153
03-27-2009, 06:13 PM
Seven, thanks for the update.

I can see how that could be the case. To me, I see it more parallel to real life politics, where allies oppose the actions of other countries, but it never is a prelude to conflict. US and French relations for example, or even relations with Israel.

So I do not see the situations described in the 'Path' stories creating such an urgency that the task force dissolution is an obvious step.

Again, I maintain that it could be argued reasonably either way --- again the Irony of the parallel of Starfleet vs. Anika, and our division on the forums.

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# 154 My hat is off to you sir
03-27-2009, 10:19 PM
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Seven, thanks for the update.

I can see how that could be the case. To me, I see it more parallel to real life politics, where allies oppose the actions of other countries, but it never is a prelude to conflict. US and French relations for example, or even relations with Israel.

So I do not see the situations described in the 'Path' stories creating such an urgency that the task force dissolution is an obvious step.

Again, I maintain that it could be argued reasonably either way --- again the Irony of the parallel of Starfleet vs. Anika, and our division on the forums.


I think no matter what this game is gonna be great and its nice to see people who really appreciate star trek and are not afraid or expressing themselves. I apologize for overreacting and I hope this game really meets up to all our expectations. Hey who knows when the game comes out me, you, sevenblade, and zombie could be killing borg together.
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# 155
03-29-2009, 12:36 AM
Incase anyone missed it (no idea if it's been posted here or not) here's alivet (she wrote the log and possibly future stuff as well?): http://www.champions-online.com/node/15272
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# 156
03-29-2009, 12:16 PM
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I think no matter what this game is gonna be great and its nice to see people who really appreciate star trek and are not afraid or expressing themselves. I apologize for overreacting and I hope this game really meets up to all our expectations. Hey who knows when the game comes out me, you, sevenblade, and zombie could be killing borg together.
I agree. No worries from me as I did not think any responses were out of line.

I think the diversity of opinions is a good sign with the fiction -- meaning the fiction might actually be written 'Grey', rather than Black/White -- which means it is open to various interpretations, and hopefully means there will a few different 'paths' with in the game.
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# 157
03-30-2009, 10:27 PM
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Seven, thanks for the update.

I can see how that could be the case. To me, I see it more parallel to real life politics, where allies oppose the actions of other countries, but it never is a prelude to conflict. US and French relations for example, or even relations with Israel.

So I do not see the situations described in the 'Path' stories creating such an urgency that the task force dissolution is an obvious step.

Again, I maintain that it could be argued reasonably either way --- again the Irony of the parallel of Starfleet vs. Anika, and our division on the forums.

No problem. And I get what you're saying here, and for the most part it makes sense/parallels the situation, but then again, the French never kicked U.S. citizens off French soil when they condemned us for invading Iraq. That the Klingons did that could definitely be a prelude to conflict. So yeah, it's a similar situation, but different in terms of severity. The Klingon/Federation tensions are definitely much higher than a general disapproval from the French lol.
And remember, I wasn't ever really disagreeing with you entirely. Mostly I was arguing for the sake of posters like dr. watson on page 7 who stated that Cryptic's version of the timeline didn't make sense or fit with accepted Star Trek history. I was trying to challenge this very limited viewpoint.

But yeah, it could be argued either way, and I thought you actually did a very good job in defending your position. I agree with a good many more parts than my stance made it seem lol. Especially since your posts including very good reasons about why the Federation shouldn't forget about the Borg, which will probably come back to bite them, if the trailer is any indication.
I have to thank you, actually, for giving me such a good verbal sparring. Every time I find someone who is willing to have this in-depth of a discussion and present their opinions logically, calmly, and back them up with facts, I get back just a little bit more faith in the population of this forum, and maybe (though this could be stretching it) the Internet/people in general.
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# 158 History Repeats itself
04-07-2009, 09:20 PM
Hi there everyone,

Been a Trekkie since I was 6 and ST TNG premiered - that got me into the TOS and DS9 and VOY as it was released.

ENT was disappointing, there were good eps and story ideas, but it just fell through on overall delivery and I wanted to see the Earth-Rom War! Also the tech for the era was all over the place - I wanted gritty, hard as nails, pioneering feel to the tech - I wanted lasers, nukes, Point defense, no shields - with only the Vulcans being 'advanced' as the elder race of the era.

I've been reading over the story prequels and articles of STOnline now, and everything is cool, except it seems endemic that writers want the Federation to shoot itself in the foot. The interview with Anika Hansen(7of9) summed it up neatly. How many more lessons does the UFP need that 'Utopia' cannot be achieved and maintained without the 'power' to protect it?

'Oh the Borg has not been seen in seven years, they're gone, so lets just dismantle the task force whose sole job it is to protect our butts from being assimilated.' It seems 'stupidity' cough, cough Necheyev cough, is still as common in the 24/25th Centuries as it is in the 21st. Maybe Q needs to pop up and give the NextGen a lesson again.

See ya.
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# 159
04-07-2009, 09:31 PM
What does this have to do with the game? Its your opinion on Star Trek as a whole right? Well.....alright.

See ya.
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# 160
04-07-2009, 09:50 PM
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I've been reading over the story prequels and articles of STOnline now, and everything is cool, except it seems endemic that writers want the Federation to shoot itself in the foot. The interview with Anika Hansen(7of9) summed it up neatly. How many more lessons does the UFP need that 'Utopia' cannot be achieved and maintained without the 'power' to protect it?
One wouldn't want the Federation to be presented as infallible. I appreciate this element of the story as a representation of the kind of political differences and competing priorities that exist in a complex society and its military, and as a mark of the story's depth.
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