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# 11
07-12-2010, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 800lbGorilla
That is what I have been trying to figure out. There are like 6 to 8 posters that I have seen bash the JJ movie every time it comes up on one of the forums. They act like the creation of this movie was a personal attack on them for some reason.

Personally, I don't understand why they don't like it. I can point out crappy episodes in EVERY Star Trek series, including the original series.
thats like me and why people like certiain ships, like the excelcior or the defiant
or the galaxy-x, well i can understand the galaxy-x, everybody wants it because they think it's overpowered when fighting anything else... sooo...
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# 12
07-12-2010, 11:32 AM
There has been one thing that has always kind of bothered me about Roodenberry's universe of Star Trek. The space combat between ship's has always been fought Submarine style (for lack of a better term) instead of actual Capital ships slugging it out like they should in a deep space environment.

In the "JJverse" the ship's fight more like the cruisers they are, including having anti-torpedo defenses. Their is actual full 3D movement and the ships twist and turn like they should in that environment. In teh old trek, you fired a torpedo at another ship and it's shields may or, as it always seemed to happen" nopt stop it before it hits the hull. Having anti-topr defenses, and being able to move more unpredicatably seems more realistic.

I know in TOS, they just didn't have the tech to do all that, but until late DS9, I don't even think it occurred to the people making those series. There's more to write on this but, I figure I would let you all take it from here.

My 2 cents worth
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# 13
07-12-2010, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CAPTWinters
There has been one thing that has always kind of bothered me about Roodenberry's universe of Star Trek. The space combat between ship's has always been fought Submarine style (for lack of a better term) instead of actual Capital ships slugging it out like they should in a deep space environment.

In the "JJverse" the ship's fight more like the cruisers they are, including having anti-torpedo defenses. Their is actual full 3D movement and the ships twist and turn like they should in that environment. In teh old trek, you fired a torpedo at another ship and it's shields may or, as it always seemed to happen" nopt stop it before it hits the hull. Having anti-topr defenses, and being able to move more unpredicatably seems more realistic.

I know in TOS, they just didn't have the tech to do all that, but until late DS9, I don't even think it occurred to the people making those series. There's more to write on this but, I figure I would let you all take it from here.

My 2 cents worth
the thing with the tos shows is in most of the episodes they are caught off guard, or they catch the other ship off guard, using surprise to get a definative strike, so not much time to put up shields in most cases (which is why they fire the torpedos right away (so that they can hit hull before the other ship has time to raise shields) in most cases the combat is unexspected giving ships little time to prepare, where as in the jjverse, the combat is prepared, with a set rally point (sol) where the ships get a chance to put up thier shields, have a good idea of the known threat, and plan a defence before combat even starts...
thats why the difference in combat styles,
a good example is "first contact" v.s. the borg cube, they fought like the cruisers and escorts they are as opose to submarine warefare >_>: coz they had a rally point set up shortly before/after combat started
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# 14
07-13-2010, 12:19 AM
I didn't like Abrahms Trek as it was a bit to Hollywood-ish (pew pew whooops he's dead) for my liking.
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# 15
07-13-2010, 01:58 AM
I agree. I really hope that was a one off thing. I like my Startrek Brainy not micheal bay-e
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# 16
07-13-2010, 01:59 AM
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I agree. I really hope that was a one off thing. I like my Startrek Brainy not micheal bay-e
You've never watch ImaginationLand, have you?
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# 17
07-13-2010, 02:02 AM
No. I just dont really like the abrahm vision of ST as much as I did roddenberry's. THe whole galaxy doesn't have to be in distress all the time (call it the save the princess complex). STNG and the original sto were just as compelling without constant wars everywere all the time.
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# 18
07-13-2010, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Broken_Spade
No. I just dont really like the abrahm vision of ST as much as I did roddenberry's. THe whole galaxy doesn't have to be in distress all the time (call it the save the princess complex). STNG and the original sto were just as compelling without constant wars everywere all the time.
well, an MMO without a war really isn't a money winner...
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# 19
07-13-2010, 03:46 AM
sadly. until the medium grows up alittle. your probably right.
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# 20
07-13-2010, 04:07 AM
I think this case is sorta like Star Wars-- If its on print or on tape, its canon.

Even Final Frontier and Nemesis.


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