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# 101
07-18-2010, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptMattSchwab
From MMORPG.com:

But here is the problem. Cryptic claims that the C-Store funds the addition of content to the game, free of charge. But since STO's launch, the amount of content and updates that have gone to the C-Store significantly outnumbers the updates that went out as patches.
I'll admit he wrote that before season 2 has come out, so he has not seen the bulk of the work but that is 100% wrong. hell its 100% wrong even before season 2 comes out.
most of the items in the c-store were either designed before the game was launched, or are aliens that also appear as bridge officers or are simple in game concepts like rename tokens.

the only really unique things in the store are the new ships and the new bridges. by the time season 2 is live how much would that compare to the rest of the content and effort to make that content that has been released.
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# 102 My 2000 Cryptic cents
07-18-2010, 12:12 AM
I currently still have my original balance of 500 points. To get 1, yes 1 ship I am being asked to pay I think it was $18.75. My gosh I can buy a whole new campaign for Napoleon Total War for $9.99. They didn't nickle and dime each item, oh French infantry 1st Division - $1.00, 2nd Division, $1.00, Old Guard $3.99, oh lets not forget the Cavalry, 1 regiment $2.99.

This is the point I think that those who are singing Cyrptic's tune just don't get as well as fans who would run naked in the street to get an autograph. We are talking about a single ship, that you only can use at RA5. It is NOT, I SAY AGAIN NOT a COSMETIC addition that DOESN'T impacts the game. People who are complaining about the WoW store, as far as I know they are offering things that only make a cosmetic change and don't change the power or usefullness of your character, your gear, your skills or the lore of the game. Someone said GW has a store where you can buy now or earn it in game, what a novel concept, are the devs and their governing council or whatever listening (I don't know if the GW is true since I do not play GW, but it was mentioned in one of the post in this thread). But here we have a ship that can mount weapons that ALL other cruisers can't. That means people who have up to $25.00 to blow will have a ship that breaks the "rules" for Crusiers. Why not have an Escort that has the Power of a Cruiser, its slots or its engines or its power, whatever and sell that for another $25.00.

To those who say I am a whiner, fine I'm a whiner. But not everyone wants to pay up to $25 for 1 single ship. The fact that it alters the rules for crusiers for that ship and is a cannon/lore ship on top it, great I am glad there are those who are, simple put, desperate for anything Star Trek that they will buy any and everything. So boycotting the store won't work, the fanboys and those who want to have the best looking and all the goodies will buy it giving the impression to the devs, that hey sell it and they will come. Don't even get me started on the fact that all the exclusive items that players bought in the pre-orders or collectors edition are now up for sale. I could buy the game for about $20 at a local computer store and pick and choose those extras and probably still pay less than those who bought the pre-orders or collectors or deluxe editions did. I know of very few games that sell exclusives (okay Empire Total War and Steam did) in pre-orders or special editions and then turn around and sell them at a store as DLC.?

To those fanboys and Cryptic Standards carrier, for a moment pretend you are not a fan of Star Trek, you are not singing the Cryptic tune and do a serious thought. $25 for 1 thing. Not a campaign, not a new star system, not a new enemy, not a whole new line of ships, but ONE SINGLE SHIP good only for RA5 AND HIGHER. So for 45 levels you don't get access to it. Now think, you can pick up any number of big name titles for 29.99 and you get more than 1 item. In addition that game gives everyone the same items to use. They don't turn around and sell 1 suit of armor that can I don't know be used by magic users, when normally magic users can't wear armor other than robes, or whatever and sell it for nearly the same price as the game (Cryptic if you haven't been to the computer stores or online stores you should look, you game is not priced at what it use to be and so a person joining this game, if they want to have that canon/lore ship needs to essentially give up another $25.00 for it (or less depending on their current c points). So to those who support such greed or total disregard for their customer you think this is a fair deal, then I have good news, your name was just pulled in the Nigerian National Lottery and you won $2 mill. I just need a check of $5000 as a security bond to send you the money and then I will give you back the 5 grand. My mailing address is

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I am not whining and neither are those in this thread or the others. They are trying to point out that if you are going to add content and charge for it, make it something big and juicy, not a single ship that violates rules all other cruisiers have to follow. And don't think because 1000 people have bought it that means everyone supports it. What next, I have to pay for an escape pod or I float in space forever?

I am as big a fan of Star Trek as I am sure 90% who play the game are. But common sense eventually has to kick in. I say that if they think they can make money by selling c-store items, lets see what happens when they have a low player base and not enough players at a time to do some of the long instanced missions. That will be of their own doing. Who will suffer, the fans, yes even fanboys and the Cryptic Standard bearers. Why? other publishers and devs will see that Star Trek is not profitable and they won't risk their jobs or the company on making a good Star Trek game and instead will nickle and dime as much as they can.

I know we live in the age of microtransactions, but even the most expensive of these give you maybe several more hours of new content, or they charge a small fee less than a few dollars for special armor for your horse, which is strictly A COSMETIC addition, like Paris Hilton having a jewel studded IPhone or Blackberry. Those companies that provide DLC (Downloadable Content) aren't generating sales from their game and a subscription fee on top of it. AND JUST AS IMPORTANT, THEY WILL USUALLY RE-RELEASE A SPECIAL EDITION, GOTY OR WHATEVER FOR ABOUT HALF THE ORIGINAL GOING PRICE AND INCLUDED ALL, YES, ALL OF THE DLC. Is that what Cryptic plans, if the game last long enough, because we sure are being taken for grant it.

Cryptic tried to pull this stunt on those from Champions Online, with some interesting comparisons to the start of this game went it went live as well. The players let the company know that wasn't going to fly and they changed their mind.

Until we all unite, fanboys, cryptic fanboys, general fans, and fans of anything MMO in space or ground cryptic will continue this trend. As some pointed out their fear the Nebula or Excelsior could be next. Do you want to pay another $25 per ship??????

I think it is time to vote with our subscription wallet and threaten to put the money away if they are going to pull this kind of stunt on those who have been loyal subscribers including those (not me of course thank God) lifetime subscribers who have been with the game since the beta days. Right now Cryptic rates about as high as a company that put out this FPS that was going to change everything, I think the company was called Ion storm, the game Daikatana or whatever. Luckily I didn't buy a game that wasn't completed. I am sure they couldn't even have sold patches for it at $25 per fix. HAHAHA!
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# 103 Oddball though!
07-18-2010, 12:36 AM
Another thought,

This was brought up back in the early days to show one of the problems with the missions, why am I buying goods and supplies to make the federation look good? Did the war with the dominion cause the Federation to privatize Starfleet and start selling stocks and bonds? Do we buy our commissions like those in the old days bought title or class standing? When did we start to charge our U.S. Naval Captains and Admirals for their ships? My gosh, infantry, you get a nerf gun, but for $99.99 we will give you a flintlock musket with pretty designs on it. For only $2500 we will give you the original M-16, cleaning kit is extra.
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# 104
07-18-2010, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Galway_Tazalan
Another thought,

This was brought up back in the early days to show one of the problems with the missions, why am I buying goods and supplies to make the federation look good? Did the war with the dominion cause the Federation to privatize Starfleet and start selling stocks and bonds? Do we buy our commissions like those in the old days bought title or class standing? When did we start to charge our U.S. Naval Captains and Admirals for their ships? My gosh, infantry, you get a nerf gun, but for $99.99 we will give you a flintlock musket with pretty designs on it. For only $2500 we will give you the original M-16, cleaning kit is extra.
The way I look at that, actually, is that our listed EC totals are for our ship's budget, not our personal use.

Which on Tribble means that when we're using EC for Dabo we're totally misappropriating Starfleet funds, which I can get behind
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# 105
07-18-2010, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquizitor View Post
You know what I don't get? Most MMO's are able to function fine on subs only and produce content regularly.

I hear the devs say repeatedly that STO has a smaller Dev team than most MMO's and yet somehow it is costing them alot more to make content than any other MMO.
Well lets go down the list of possible reasons (and my solutions if these really are the problem):

- Cryptic Employees are possibly overpaid.

Solution - Move to any one of the following cities - Dallas, Austin, Omaha, Boise, Souix Falls. Any of these have a far far less COLA than the friggin Socialist Republic of Californication (and yes - the best move I ever made was leaving that state at 5 yrs old). Also, if people refuse to move, there are a lot of Progrmamers and Techies in these cities that owuld love to get a job. Just sayin'

- The game has a smaller player base than they want to admit

Solution - Fire the marketing team. Yep I said it. Terminate em all. Seriously - Which brilliant genius opted to give away 60 days free game time in addition to a price cut less than 30 days in? Heck, what would you think if Nintendo opted to cut the price of the Wii right after it launched? Game was hitting capacity issues at the start. Now I can name over 100 accounts that are long gone. And looking ath the last login date, most occurred around the time of problem I mentioned above. Coincidence? Prehaps, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck - Probably is not a horse if you know what I mean.

- Someone is pulling a Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment

Solution - I'd audit where the money is going. Could it be the brother-in-law of the sister of the CEO? If it is, since Atari wholly owns Cryptic and Atari is a Publicly traded company on Euronet, might just be an issue of fraud there. Last I heard, the President & CEO of CME is probably gonna be spending some time in a 10x10 room....

- Someone in Fianace needs to learn the term "Open Bidding Process"

Solution - Review your overhead and vaiable costs. Might you be able to get a better deal in an open bid process?

- Cryptic in an effort to roll out this game in the required deadline was forced to accept terms of credit not generally considered 'favorable' and the acquistion by Atari did not help the cause.

Solution - Refiance if you could, but likely not possible in this market and further not possible given Atari's less than stellar fiancnial track record. Basically for those that are not accountant types, most things in business are done with OPM - other people's money. For a solid company, these can typically be done at or sometimes below the prime rate. However, if the company is small (Cryptic) and not in good financial shape (Atari), there is a greater risk of the laon never being paid back. Result is they are charged a higher interest rate. This rate combined with the ROI is generally refered to as the cost of capital. It is quite possible that debt consumes a tremendous amount of money from the operating budget of Cryptic.

Of all of the comments made, and I believe Dan made this directly to one of my comments in a different thread, this never really sat well with me. Of course, the last part listed above is probably extremely likely - Debt load is probably reeking havoc on any money they are generating - if not there, then Atari is siphoning cash off to manage their's.

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# 106
07-18-2010, 05:16 AM
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So did I. I dont remember having to spend extra in that game. I've nto played it ina long time though and never got any of the expansions.
In GW, you pay extra for more character slots, you can buy skill packs to unlock skills all at once instead of earning them in-game, etc.
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# 107
07-18-2010, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Deepfriedspam
In GW, you pay extra for more character slots, you can buy skill packs to unlock skills all at once instead of earning them in-game, etc.
Hmmmm... Still waiting for that "in game part" for - well..... everything in the Store.
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