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# 21
07-18-2010, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fewzz View Post
Didn't it have twin launchers upfront?
I assume you're asking about Torpedo Launchers... yep, it does!


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Originally Posted by Teslanar
Problem with the Transwarp Drive is still that it is an advantage. Lets say we'd make the Excelsior like the Star Cruiser, people would choose Excelsior because the Transwarp Drive adds some comfort ingame.
I agree with you that it's an advantage, but it's not a combat advantage. It's also something we'll be shelling out cash over (but is NOT the selling point, unlike the Cloak with Galaxy-X). Now, I don't want to get into a debate about C-Store practices and morals; but it really has no impact on combat performance and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a similar feature for everyone in the future. Being able to set one's Transwarp point to a specific starbase is something people have been wanting for a while -- with the Excelsior's Transwarp Drive, it's caused that topic to resurface. I don't want the Excelsior's combat performance impacted over something that can very likely change in a couple patches.

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Originally Posted by Teslanar
Maybe even ditch a second station alltogether and instead give us an Lt.Cmd. station instead of a Lt. one. So either Tac. Lt.Cmd. or Sci Lt.Cmd. but I am not sure if that might be too much..
I truly believe the Excelsior should receive, at least, a Science Ensign station and not a Tactical one; I think a lot of people feel the same way. The Sovereign was designed purely for warfare and to combat the Borg threat, and all it receives is an extra Ensign Tactical station and Tactical console. The Excelsior, like you say, was flown in a time if relative peace (the war with the Klingons was largely over and the Romulans were hiding behind their borders).

It would be an interesting design point to scrap the Ensign Science station altogether and bump up the default Lieutenant Science station to Lieutenant Commander; but that is unlike any other ship in the game currently and would need to be carefully balanced. What would the Excelsior lose for such a gain? Surely the aft weapon slot, and perhaps keep Consoles to 4x Engineering, 2x Science, and 2x Tactical (like Tier4 Cruisers). Diminished Crew of ~600, combined with the loss of a Console and aft weapon slot would balance the Lt. Commander Science station (this is assuming we're still shooting for a slightly better turn rate, similar to that of a Battle Cruiser).

Perhaps the safest way to play it would make the Excelsior identical to the Star Cruiser, save for roughly half the crew, better turn rate, and maybe 35,000 hull strength instead of 39,000. That's a configuration I can certainly live with, though no one's suggestions have been bad. Such a layout would give people who like the Science-themed feel of Star Cruisers a more traditional and sexy look for their starship; I know I don't like how Star Cruisers look, and plenty of others don't, either. It would be a great alternative... and help keep the ship in line with the C-Store needing to be mostly cosmetic/game services (like name changes, etc)... it would, essentially, be little more than a Star Cruiser costume with some minor quirks.

Personally (I'm just rambling now), I don't like the idea of the Excelsior being another Tactical-themed Cruiser, like the Assault Cruiser. We already have the Sovereign, and she's lovely. Excelsior can compliment the Sovereign on the other side of the fence, as a Science-focused Cruiser.
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# 22
07-18-2010, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KillingMeSoftly
Perhaps the safest way to play it would make the Excelsior identical to the Star Cruiser, save for roughly half the crew, better turn rate, and maybe 35,000 hull strength instead of 39,000. That's a configuration I can certainly live with, though no one's suggestions have been bad. Such a layout would give people who like the Science-themed feel of Star Cruisers a more traditional and sexy look for their starship; I know I don't like how Star Cruisers look, and plenty of others don't, either. It would be a great alternative... and help keep the ship in line with the C-Store needing to be mostly cosmetic/game services (like name changes, etc)... it would, essentially, be little more than a Star Cruiser costume with some minor quirks.

Personally (I'm just rambling now), I don't like the idea of the Excelsior being another Tactical-themed Cruiser, like the Assault Cruiser. We already have the Sovereign, and she's lovely. Excelsior can compliment the Sovereign on the other side of the fence, as a Science-focused Cruiser.
I would be happay with that. The idea of making the Excelsior a more fragile, yet more versatile counterpart of the Star Cruiser while keeping the general performance is tempting one. While I like the Star Cruiser design, many people don't. This way they *might* also have an optical alternative with the Excelsior.

Also the Galaxy-X is something I already find rather tactical orientated (Cloak, Phaser Lance, Cannons, Tac Ensign slot), I also have to say we should have another more science oriented ship with the Excelsior.
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# 23
07-18-2010, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Teslanar
Also the Galaxy-X is something I already find rather tactical orientated (Cloak, Phaser Lance, Cannons, Tac Ensign slot), I also have to say we should have another more science oriented ship with the Excelsior.
Oh, definitely! Sometimes I forget the Galaxy-X is a Cruiser, the way people fly them. Seems more like a slow and blundering Escort to me. :p
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# 24
07-19-2010, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by KillingMeSoftly
I assume you're asking about Torpedo Launchers... yep, it does!



I agree with you that it's an advantage, but it's not a combat advantage. It's also something we'll be shelling out cash over (but is NOT the selling point, unlike the Cloak with Galaxy-X). Now, I don't want to get into a debate about C-Store practices and morals; but it really has no impact on combat performance and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a similar feature for everyone in the future. Being able to set one's Transwarp point to a specific starbase is something people have been wanting for a while -- with the Excelsior's Transwarp Drive, it's caused that topic to resurface. I don't want the Excelsior's combat performance impacted over something that can very likely change in a couple patches.
IIRC, it's a benefit of the new Federation Diplomacy stuff that you can gain different transwarp destinations. So the Excelsior would basically a "bundle" - get a ship and get this feature that you can already gain by in-game activities, too. The latter part is basically what many people have been asking for C-Store items, right?
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# 25
07-19-2010, 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully View Post
IIRC, it's a benefit of the new Federation Diplomacy stuff that you can gain different transwarp destinations. So the Excelsior would basically a "bundle" - get a ship and get this feature that you can already gain by in-game activities, too. The latter part is basically what many people have been asking for C-Store items, right?
That's nice to know, and definitely means there's no reason to balance the Excelsior against her (hardly) unique power!
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# 26
07-19-2010, 06:05 PM
well i say the excelsior should have all universal stations and 4 fore weapons and 3 aft weapons and have 3x each consoles
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# 27
07-20-2010, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Arczer
well i say the excelsior should have all universal stations and 4 fore weapons and 3 aft weapons and have 3x each consoles
That's asking for a bit much...Maybe allow there to be a universal BO position so that we can decide if we want it to act more like a star cruiser or an assault cruiser.
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# 28 Cost
07-20-2010, 12:57 PM
Any one know when these ships come out and a cost?
I checked out the calender, but yesterday was the last day for the C store updates. Next month?
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# 29
07-20-2010, 02:47 PM
I remember cannon ports in the bow of the Lakota refit.
So making it a standard T3 Heavy Cruiser but with a Galaxy-X like refit option(sans Phaser lance) at T5 would make the most sense to me.
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# 30
07-20-2010, 03:28 PM
It needs a combat power in my opinion , yes it has transwarp but everyone gets that with diplomacy so big deal.

I remember seeing the Excellsior launch loads of torps at the cloaked BOP in Undiscovered Country from two forward launchers , so perhaps something to boost torpedos?
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