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# 31
07-21-2010, 01:44 AM
and listen up this fighting over what side has more or gets more isent helping the game at all , you feds can cry as much as you like so can we klings , it dont matter devs know klings lack content and so do the feds but since feds seems to be the selling point in all podcasts promotions bug fixes and chats that devs/cryptic do klings will allways be 2nd place ... We still play the same game all content is good content feds need to understand every klingon main pay just as much as them more klingons = more content in game to making klingons leavs means kess cash into devs wich leads to less content all over...
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# 32
07-21-2010, 01:47 AM
Indeed interesting that the threat which suggest to storm the usual forum gets a dev post.

Regretably what is posted is what was supposed to be for seaon 2, nothing more. So it does not make anything more balanced. So it's not even a start.
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# 33
07-21-2010, 01:48 AM
and stormshade having u waltz in here saying someting 1 time a week dont mean that you guys listen it means u acknowledge we are here , talking with us is another thing coming and stating facts and sayint thats how it is and then leaving another week to adress some SMURFs notion that his frigging flying glaxay craft has a torp port placed wrong is getting stupid..
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# 34
07-21-2010, 01:58 AM
I may have it wrong but it seems the Dev's want to pick and choose what type of feed back the players are giving. They seem to be looking for the thumbs up when most of the players are giving them the thumbs down. They want to hear 'great job Dev's' instead of the 'your not doing too hot" that the community has been giving them lately.
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# 35
07-21-2010, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Armsman View Post
"No communication from Cryptic aboout anything at all..", eh. Have youbothered to look at the Dev Tracker lately? If you had, you would have seen the STO Devs posts and communication on:

Tribble patch notes for 7/20/10 (link)

A Dev posting screenshots of a fix to the Ablative Armor textures on various ship model (based on player feedback) (link)

A list of player reported bugs on Tribble, and the level of Priority they've been assigned (link)

Response to feedback on the ship interiors on Tribble (link)

Response to the issues with the Kerat System PvP mission

Response to feedback regardy the new Trophies on Tribble (link)

A Dev response to a player suggestion for fixing the look of the Starship interior corridors on Tribble (link)

Another recent Engineering Report on 7/16/10 (link)

And there was quite a buit more that I skipped over; but I think the point is made and it's quite clear the STO Dev team is more communicative an up front than any Dev team from any other released MMO to date.

Hyperbole certainly doesn't help the point you're trying to makr imo.

Hyperbole? Ppffft.


**NEWSFLASH** / **BULLETIN** / **THIS JUST IN**

This.is.not.the.Tribble.forum.
This.is.a.forum.in.the.Feedback.section.
Repeat, Feedback.section.


What you posted is all well and good.... if you're playing on Tribble as most of what you posted is Tribble-related. Personally, I don't. I do not pay a monthly subscription fee to be a testing troubleshooter. That's their job, not mine. I am a customer. I pay a monthly subscription fee to play a well-polished final product. Those that are interested in doing so, by all means go ahead. I'm not saying that's wrong or that they shouldn't, just that I and a number of others choose not to. Tribble maintenance info isn't really something that impacts the "regular" player. Yes, it does impact patches and like but patches are what they are; they will happen and change gameplay whether we like the changes or not. Oh, and the recent Engineering Report you cited? I, too, love Engineering reports and devour them on site. It's just too bad we had to wait a month for it, which supports my point that general game feedback is insufficient.

I think what players generally want is an open dialogue, something a little more than a monthly message or troubleshooting test-related posts. Players read and post in the Feedback forums with the expectation of just that: FEEDBACK. As Phlyto pointed out, there has not been much of that in this forum. Clearly, this particular KDF issue (among many others) continues to escalate without much acknowledgement/input from Cryptic. It's true there are a lot of players that just need to get over themselves, many might justly be labeled as those that cannot and will not ever be satisfied with anything. Even when taking those unsatisfiable players out of the equation, Cryptic fails in the general feedback department.

There has been a noticable pickup in Cryptic responses as of VERY LATE. Why would that be? Hmm, maybe it's because a lot of players are ticked off for a myriad of reasons. Whether they are justified in being irked/upset or not, Cryptic does have a responsibility to respond to player issues/inquiries, and the FEEDBACK FORUM is a most appropriate place for those exchanges to take place.

This arguement is more than just over how often we as a playing community should expect feedback from devs, it's about the remaining life of the game. KDF-content has been a hot, sore subject for quite awhile now. I'll go a step further with this and add that I'm strictly a Fed player. I have no Klingon alt. While I'm really into aesthetics and enjoyed the ornate detail that was put into what limited KDF-content that I saw, unfortunately I just didn't get into it and deleted the one I started. That being said, I still find it extremely important that the KDF become and remain a playable, viable faction. To put a Trek spin on an old saying, "As the KDF goes, so goes STO." If the support for and player base of the KDF evaporates, not only will there be no other playable-faction expansions, that'll be the end of the game, period. Fed players also need to wake up and realize that. We should ALL be screaming for more KDF attention so that this game we all enjoy and obviously care about can continue. That won't happen without player support, which I fear is falling significantly. Fingers crossed, though.
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# 36
07-21-2010, 02:22 AM
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and listen up this fighting over what side has more or gets more isent helping the game at all , you feds can cry as much as you like so can we klings , it dont matter devs know klings lack content and so do the feds but since feds seems to be the selling point in all podcasts promotions bug fixes and chats that devs/cryptic do klings will allways be 2nd place ... We still play the same game all content is good content feds need to understand every klingon main pay just as much as them more klingons = more content in game to making klingons leavs means kess cash into devs wich leads to less content all over...
BINGO

...Less content all over = lower subscriber rate, which will sooner or later (unfortunately, probably sooner) = No STO.
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# 37
07-21-2010, 02:24 AM
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and stormshade having u waltz in here saying someting 1 time a week dont mean that you guys listen it means u acknowledge we are here , talking with us is another thing coming and stating facts and sayint thats how it is and then leaving another week to adress some SMURFs notion that his frigging flying glaxay craft has a torp port placed wrong is getting stupid..
Another really good, valid point from Tarjan.
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# 38
07-21-2010, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by StormShade
There's no need to abandon this forum, and we are listening to your feedback.

It is going to take time to correct the current faction imbalance, and it's something we're actively working on.

Klingons are getting a number of updates this Season to help begin to rectify this balance issue.

You are getting more updated costume options than the Federation is, and you are getting more new episodes than Federation Players are.

Yes, the Federation is getting the Diplomatic Corps, however, you are getting several new episodes strung across several levels, as well as access to any new "standard" PvE content being introduced. We know that this doesn't "fix" anything. However, it is a start.

Thanks,

Stormshade
Why aren't we treated with parity of esteem in this sub-forum?
Wheres the Developer dialogue that was promised?
All other subforums receive interaction with the Developement team while we remain ignored.
The only Dev forum posts in this section are appeasement.
Why should we continue to post here and why should we continue to Subscribe to STO when its clear that the Cryptic vision of expansion for KDF after Season 2 is based on multi-factional episodes that DO NOT account for the possibility of KDF storytelling.
This policy for the future is "Copy & Paste" KDF missions which are designed for Starfleet players and Klingons are given them just to shut us up and a lame attempt at providing KDF content.
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# 39
07-21-2010, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dublin_Raider View Post
Why aren't we treated with parity of esteem in this sub-forum?
Wheres the Developer dialogue that was promised?
All other subforums receive interaction with the Developement team while we remain ignored.
The only Dev forum posts in this section are appeasement.
Why should we continue to post here and why should we continue to Subscribe to STO when its clear that the Cryptic vision of expansion for KDF after Season 2 is based on multi-factional episodes that DO NOT account for the possibility of KDF storytelling.
This policy for the future is "Copy & Paste" KDF missions which are designed for Starfleet players and Klingons are given them just to shut us up and a lame attempt at providing KDF content.
well not to shoot u way down but the 8 misisons coming in season 2 ar far from copy and past but this is i way late if the 8 misisons was the 1st baby steps in the 45 day patch then this whould been a lot calmer , but this is a a bit to little to late for most....
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# 40
07-21-2010, 04:51 AM
Theoretical incident...

DEV 1: Wow. Look at the Klingons. Sigh. A lot of work to do there.
DEV 2: Yep. We need to do something about it.
DEV 3: I agree!
DEV 4 (walks in): Hey guys! Want to see my plans for the new T6 Defiant Refit? Its got battle cloak and three Commander slots!

Ohhs and Ahhs around as the Devs move off....

I do think that the Devs and others in the game are well aware of Klingon issues. I do think that they want to do something about it at some level. However, there is a fundamental, almost philosophical conflict at play that affects the entire situation.

Some posters in this thread are treating ALL content added as moves forward in the game. There is validity in this viewpoint. Others are categorizing content added based on faction. The issue is that in some player's eyes, as long as content is being added, it is good for the game, and good for the player base, while in other player's eyes, the percentage of love given to the factions is imbalanced, and too much love to one faction can actually damage the future of the game.

I have read threads in the General Feedback forum that suggest that the Klingon faction should be dumped. or merged into the Federation as vassals, or otherwise allowed to simply fade away and die. I have read in the General Forums that some Federation players would be happy if this was a Federation faction game only, and that since the Federation is more popular, then focusing all of the content added to the game only makes sense if it is Federation focused.

I don't mean to stir things up..but these posters are not being banned. They are not being debated with, and although their viewpoints are extreme (in my opinion) they are being read...and who knows -- possibly considered. I certainly hope that is not the case.

I do hope that the extra time being taken for the Season 2 rollout has some nice surprises for us. I hope that the reason it was delayed by about a week or so means that maybe we will get a refit or two, or maybe even an actual new ship we could use (I apologize to those extremely few players out there that use Carriers...but you ARE somewhat rare LOL) ourselves. That would be nice...and it would go a long way towards evening some things out.

Maybe I am crazy...but I still do have some faith in the game. The bottom line is that despite all of its warts...and there are quite a few...this is the best Star Trek game to come along in years. However...it could be light years better if the factions were more balanced. I am just saying.
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