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# 1 Data and androids
07-19-2010, 10:57 PM
First time watching the TNG episode Brothers. Data just completely pwned everyone within the first 15 min of the show. He did it so easily .... Took entire control of the ship, all within minutes. Could have killed everyone on board so easily. I am still laughing.

Can I be an android?
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# 2
07-19-2010, 11:17 PM
Data was ok too bad it took him , Worf and Deanna Troi to replace Mr. Spock.
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# 3
07-19-2010, 11:19 PM
Data is incapable of conciously harming another being unless he has no other choice. Lore on the other hand has no such qualms and is presently rotting away in pieces on a shelf somewhere after he created his own army out of borg disconnected from the Nexus.
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# 4
07-20-2010, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by createn
Data is incapable of conciously harming another being unless he has no other choice. Lore on the other hand has no such qualms and is presently rotting away in pieces on a shelf somewhere after he created his own army out of borg disconnected from the Nexus.
Um... no. That's the three laws of robotics:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

They're from "I, Robot" and other books by Isaac Asimov. Data is not actually bound by them. If he were, it would completely trivialize his choice to be different from Lore. Also, for an example of Data making a complex choice to harm another being -- watch the end of The Most Toys. Data quite clearly chooses to kill the collector who's kidnapped him at the end, and he's only stopped by a perfectly timed transporter beam.
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# 5
07-20-2010, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Noebe
Um... no. That's the three laws of robotics:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

They're from "I, Robot" and other books by Isaac Asimov. Data is not actually bound by them. If he were, it would completely trivialize his choice to be different from Lore. Also, for an example of Data making a complex choice to harm another being -- watch the end of The Most Toys. Data quite clearly chooses to kill the collector who's kidnapped him at the end, and he's only stopped by a perfectly timed transporter beam.
You really need to read this.
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# 6
07-23-2010, 02:23 PM
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You really need to read this.
Gets preachy in the end, but a decent, quick read.
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# 7
07-23-2010, 02:29 PM
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Gets preachy in the end, but a decent, quick read.
breaking common misconceptions to bring a reality into wide recognition takes a lot of energy.
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# 8
07-23-2010, 06:57 PM
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breaking common misconceptions to bring a reality into wide recognition takes a lot of energy.
Though... As far as I could tell, the article was at best tangentially related to the original topic. It seemed to be debunking the idea of the three laws making sense in reality. Which has very little bearing on whether or not they apply to Isaac Asimov's robots or on whether they apply to Data.
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# 9
07-23-2010, 07:08 PM
Ruk would pwn Data.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ruk
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# 10
07-23-2010, 07:21 PM
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You really need to read this.
It's a very interesting read - probably misses the point of Asimov's story as one poster on the site mentions, but it does assert the reality of robots in fiction and in (current) reality.

Of course, the rules don't apply to machines built by non-humans - like Ruk mentioned above, or the famous Transformers.
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