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# 21
07-23-2010, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Shakkar View Post
But I have not and will not pay 400 cp for extra boff slots on a single character. I really want the boff slots, and to a lesser extent the ship slots (right now I'd just get rid of a Miranda to get a new ship if I needed one) but with 11 characters that I actually play there is simply no way. I wont pay over $100 for those slots for all my characters, and I think Cryptic was wrong to try to get me. Now come up with a reasonable price for account wide extra boff slots, and I'll buy them. Say 600cp for the whole account and I'd do it.

This... to the letter.

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# 22
07-23-2010, 10:52 AM
Ship Skins
Fairly priced... Except the Assault Cruiser... Why is the Imperial so much more expensive than all the other ships' upgrades? I bought that (240CP) and then saw all the others come out so much cheaper (160CP). I'm disappointed by that and get all GRRR everytime I think about it.

Bridge Packs
Since there was never anything to do on the Bridge, I never bothered to go on mine (I did like once or twice), so never even considered these... Come S2.0 we get Ship Interiors, I took a look at these and they seem ok in price. (But where is the Assault Cruiser Bridge Pack?) I'll likely "invest" in all the Bridge packs the next time there's a Cryptic Sale (so maybe I'm saying they should be 20% cheaper in general)... If I'm not still boycotting (see below).

Ships
I bought the TOS Connie cause I really liked it and envied my Dad's (he got his Collector's Ed game at Game Stop), so price wasn't really an issue on this one (grumble grumble you sneaky Cryptic people there ). $10 and done. Me = "Sucker" Yeah, I think it was a bit much, but one must have one's Enterprise... it is Star Trek, after all.

The GalX? Way too expensive. $25? As Superchum suggested, I'd rather give Cryptic that kind of money for some sort of Expansion Pack.

The Nebula and Excelsior should be less than $10, maybe $6-8. If $10, I'll feel abused, but won't complain about it. Not sure if I want those ships or not anyway. No way should they be more than the Connie. That would just be disrespectful.

Uniforms and Races
Well priced, though I think these should be universal parts that are unlocked when purchsed as I talk about here. And while you have the WoK uni listed as Free, you want to charge for the TOS uni (which is free if one knows where to look). Seems you should point that out to people.

Emotes
Over priced. Should have made a single pack of a dozen or so (what you have now plus maybe a couple of more) for a buck.

Targ/Tribble
I don't have a Klingy so I can't speak about the Targ. The Tribble is a good price.

Borg Bridge Officers
Well priced. Having an Efficient Officer is a nice in-game perk, and she's cool. Though when I think that the Collector's Ed of the game I purchased for each Dad and I (his, as mentioned, from GS, and mine from Amazon), cost the same ~$80. He got the Connie, I got the BO (for both Fed/Kling). When those pre-buy items came to the C-Store, and I bought the Connie it cost me 800CP, only cost him 580CP to get my pre-buy perk (though he only bought the Fed side (so far), so even cheaper!). Just further example that the Connie is a bit much.

I think the Borg BO costume should be unlocked for general use, or at lease specific use (if one has the Liberate Borg character, for example).

Ship Registry
Overpriced. It would be a better item if it stood out more. Since it's such a background pixel, I'd say it's overpriced (should be cheaper than the emotes, which can be more noticeable).

Captain Rename Token
I haven't renamed, don't really know anything about it, and I don't know what's techinically involved, so I dunno on this one... However, it "feels" a bit much.

Captain Retrain (Respec) Token
Overpriced. I have to admit I've used this one once. I used free CP I got from the purchase of my game before I really realized the value of a CP vs real $$$. Should be half this price.

Additional Character Slots
In 2 or (even cheaper/bulk rate) 4 character bundles? The best bargain in the store!

Additional Costume Slots
Overpriced. Even for full account (thanks for the fix on that, BTW). 200-300 would be better. I can get a whole new character for ~213CP (850/4).

Additional Per Character Ship/BO Slots
Overpriced and Unfair. I will not purchase these as Per Character items, and will likely continue to boycott the C-Store in general until this is fixed. Even if/when they go full account, 200-300 would be a better price. I can get a whole new character for ~213CP (850/4).
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# 23
07-23-2010, 11:11 AM
I am sure you are aware of my position on per-character items but I would like to expand upon that by saying that economics of scale could help tremendously. Having high priced items in the store might look great to those with excess money to pay for them but there is a reason that Walmart exists too. Economics of scale, this allows you to sell far more of a lower priced product thus increasing profit dramatically.

There is no reason for the ship skins to cost what they do and if you halve the price and sell twice as many you still make the same profit. It isn't as though you have a factory out there cranking out these things, it is the exact same bits and bytes used to make it in the first place.

Uncommon or rare items, sure, all the traffic will bear! I bought the Galaxy X and the TOS Constitution because I wanted them and had the excess CP to do so. Those should be expensive as all hell since they are unique items that can be achieved in other ways. I could have gone to Gamestop and purchased the TOS Connie or I could have gained the emnity of my friends and family by recruiting five of the poor sods to play the game with me. I chose the less expensive route (friendships are hard to fix).

Economics of scale would permit you to sell the exact same items for a pittance of what you are selling them for now and since they already exist and you have a warehouse full of an infinite number of everything, you could actually sell them for 200cp and make probably 90% profit or more on each sale. Sure there was the initial outlay of the programming and such but if you are selling thousands of character slots or uniform slots for 100cp or so, it no longer matters.

Your marketing droids should be fully aware of economics of scale, I asked my wife who has a business degree about it. She said "they are selling them for how much?". Using this model instead of some strange mathematical method known only in the delta quadrant or microsoft should yield much higher profits than gouging the customers at every possible opportunity. The only reason these things are priced as they are industry wide is because of Free to Play games, not Pay for play or hybrid. You can't really charge the same high price as Allods for example (not that anyone should) because you also have a subscription plan that ostensibly covers operating costs and profit. The CStore is supposedly extra profit which I have no problem with.

As far as items go, slots, uniforms, etc . . . are fine in the CStore though I would like to see the iconic items achievable ingame rather than CStore purchasable. Anything from the CStore should really be unique in appearance and should probably not be "iconic" items with the exceptions of the pre-order stuff and the Galaxy X ship since those were used for specific promotional reasons and are already achievable through other means.
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# 24
07-23-2010, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by KillingMeSoftly
Two addition Bridge Officer slots and Ship slots are a total joke at 400 CP a piece, especially with them being per character. They should be slashed to 100 CP if they're going to be character-only, or 200 CP if they're going to be account wide. I also think the respec token is a bit pricy as well.
This for me as well, almost. 100 is far more reasonable.

For account-wide, I have no problem with 400 considering the number of characters we can play. But I will not pay 400 for two slots on one character.
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# 25
07-23-2010, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberPenguin73 View Post
My problem hasn't been with the pricing as I think it been fair so far. My problem is that per character is ridiculous. C-store item should be PER ACCOUNT. I personally will not buy anything that isn't per account.
Nothing more for me to say than that.
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# 26
07-23-2010, 12:43 PM
The prices so far have been fine if everything was account wide.

The only thing that was overpriced was the Galaxy-X.

Ships should be in the 10-15 dollar range at max level and 5-8 if its a leveling ship. You want 25 you need to have some kind of leveling system in the ship so it grows with you and you can use it all the way up. Maybe have it have console and equipment slots that are grayed out till you reach the rank to use them and stats that scale to the tier you would be in. THAT I would pay 25 bucks for (account wide, not per).
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# 27
07-23-2010, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Summers View Post
The prices so far have been fine if everything was account wide.

The only thing that was overpriced was the Galaxy-X.

Ships should be in the 10-15 dollar range at max level and 5-8 if its a leveling ship. You want 25 you need to have some kind of leveling system in the ship so it grows with you and you can use it all the way up. Maybe have it have console and equipment slots that are grayed out till you reach the rank to use them and stats that scale to the tier you would be in. THAT I would pay 25 bucks for (account wide, not per).
Thing about the Galaxy X is that it was a prize for annoying the most friends and family or for pumping out five additional accounts yourself. The pricing for that was, if anything, a bit low. Even though you got your shiny new ship, you would have to find someone else to bail you out of jail
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# 28
07-23-2010, 02:25 PM
Per character costs to much. Could we reach a fair compromise, cryptic? Here is my idea, which would be fair for both players and you. Instead of being per character please expand it per faction. SO costume slots, ship slots and bridge officer slots are per faction (Feds OR Klingon) and not per character. I have stated many positive opinions about the c store but the costs of services in the c store are to much per character.

Simple re-cap:

You only give two character slots.

Limited ship slots.

Services are priced to high.

Services are restricted per character.

I think I could add even more to this but I think you get the idea. The c store items you are proposing now is making more and more players jaded towards you. And I can understand why.
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# 29
07-23-2010, 03:18 PM
I would like for the C-store to show actual prices instead of C-points.

Since C-Points are only good for buying things in the C-Store and are basically an exchange of money for money, I'd like to do away with them entirely and just see my local currency next to what I'm buying so I know how much of my real life money I'm about to invest.

I feel that this may be an intentional way to separate us from our cash, since we are separating the purchases for the monetary exchange: Turning cash into points and then going back into the game to use the points. I feel that it is a way to make us disassociate what we are using as currency with the real world value of said currency so we don't realise how much we are actually spending.


I look forward to looking in the C-Store and seeing "Two additional BO slots: $2.50 - Account Wide"
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# 30
07-23-2010, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirius39
This thread is intended for people too suggest realistic pricing and how an item should be distributed, if it were to be seen on C-Store. This is NOT a thread to complain about C-Store or how certain items should not appear on C-Store, we have enough of them already.

New Ship Skins?

New Ship Classes?

Cosmetics?

Other?

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I'd like to see things like the Red Matter Capacitor, and the TR-116a Tactical Sniper Rifle sold in the C Store.
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