Lt. Commander
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# 181
03-26-2009, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Korrific View Post
I hope she doesn't reconsider :p

What I'm about to say is not targeted at anyone in particular. It's based on a decade's worth of internet observation, and a couple (ok, maybe more ) decades of interacting with people in real life. Of course, saying that by itself pretty much guarantees I'll get flamed, but whatevah

Awen, my word of advice to you, if you want to run another creativity contest: Do not offer a prize. Do not select a winner. Do not even select a set of candidates for the community to vote on. Do not, in any way, shape, or form, treat any one specific entry or a limited set of entries in any way that can be construed as official recognition.

I have not yet seen an internet creativity contest that ends well once a winner is picked. Somebody somewhere in the community will find some issue with the winning entry that will resonate with a vocal subset of the community. In this case, it was about word length - but if that weren't an issue, it'd be about grammar, or spelling, or post count, or similarity to some piece of previously published fiction. It wouldn't be the same set of people griping about every issue, but there will always be a set of people who will find a more-or-less legitimate reason to be upset about "how the contest was handled."

If you want to pick a winner, go with the lottery idea. If you want to get people to engage in creativity, stick with the Kobayashi Maru format.
That's right it didn't work out well so lets just give up. No prizes, and no competition, lets make everyone a winner just like those PC lets not offend anyone parents that want to have sports leagues with their 8 year olds where no team wins, no one keeps score, and we are all winners!.

I got runner up so not only am I irritated by the broken rules but also I actually could taste victory! The fix is easy for the next contest. Change the rules or follow them to the letter. No limit on the contest entry length or 300 words and not a single one more.

This is the coolest way to earn a beta slot that I have ever seen and it needs to go on. Canceling this contest or changing it to "easy mode" or the contest equivalent of WoW would only appease the people that are already OK with what happened.

What I am really looking at is to see how they handle this thing. Are they going to stick to their guns or will they bow to community pressure. this might give us some insight into how they will be on the customer service side and support side one the game is out. Personally I am looking for a medium here.

Bottom line is you don't quit when something doesn't work right. If you dd then these games would not make it through the first week. How would you feel in the programmers came across their first bug and said "Dammit, oh well better just take that feature out, it isn't working right"
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# 182
03-26-2009, 06:10 AM
I think we can decide when we've had enough. If we choose to disuss this further then let us do so. If you don't like it, than just ignore the thread. BEsides, apart from a few stray posts there is no harm being done. Why should it concern you?

This after all a forum where discussions are meant to be held, sometimes even over several pages.

p.s. We wouldn't "have" continue to stress our point if people wouldn't always coem in here and accuse us of being sore sports etc.
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# 183
03-26-2009, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Coldsteel6d View Post
I got runner up so not only am I irritated by the broken rules but also I actually could taste victory! The fix is easy for the next contest. Change the rules or follow them to the letter. No limit on the contest entry length or 300 words and not a single one more.
Ah sorry guy. You should be the winner. Tell you what. I'll man up and give you my beta key if I win a future lottery. I just don't like people getting screwed.
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# 184
03-26-2009, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by phifur View Post
Ah sorry guy. You should be the winner. Tell you what. I'll man up and give you my beta key if I win a future lottery. I just don't like people getting screwed.
It's not about the key really its about the competition for me. For instance i like to play Blackjack when i go top a casino. I love to start out with about $100 and build it up to around $500-$1,000 and then bet it all on one hand. People call me stupid and crazy but for me it's not about winning the money, the money makes it a thrill and exiting. The goal is just to win and to be recognized.

I don't give a crap about the beta key. At some point I will get a key for whatever reason. I always seem to. I just want to compete and win, that is the whole point for me. Love to win.

I can't win this contest. It is over and done. I am cool with that. If they contact me tomorrow and say they want to declare me co winner or some ting and give me a key that would be nice but that's not what it is about. Even if I got the key I would enter again just to see if I could win. That's why i want them to continue this contest format. I want to win it.

There are a lot of people that don't care if they win. It's just fun. Those guys got what they were after the moment they submitted their entry. I am glad for them. The rest of us should be given more chances. I just don't want to see this go away. If they go to a lotto system there is no thrill for me. It's not exiting so I won't do it. They don't necessarily need a beta key prize, but they need something, like adding some of the content of the winners submission to the game, but they do need a winner otherwise for me it's pointless. If i just wanted to write little stories about aliens and planets I can do that without a format being given to me by Cryptic.

If you get a beta key keep it. Being in a closed beta and having some say in correcting a games bugs and flaws is second only to having a say in a games content in my view. Enjoy it if you get the chance.
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# 185
03-26-2009, 08:51 AM
As always Coldsteel.. Well Said! I think that sums this whole issue up nicely. Congrats again on at least be acknowledged for your writing skills because your story was great, as well as being under the 300 word limit. Great stuff Coldsteel... great stuff!!
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# 186
03-26-2009, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Awen
Actually - I completely forgot that there was a word limit because I felt that the entry was that good.
I understand choosing an entry over the limit, bottom line, it's Cryptic's contest they can bend the rules for an entry that will make the game more interesting.

However, I don't like the whole "I'm human and I make mistakes" line. That could be said about anything... it's generic jive talk. I'd rather the DEV team just say that they chose it because it will enhance the game for everyone and that in the future if they have to make that choice again they gladly will. Making it sound like "I made a mistake, but don't worry, it's because I'm human" is irrational and unnecessary.
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# 187
03-26-2009, 09:03 AM
Well, here's my 2 cents for what it's worth. If the 300 word one was better, then it was better. It didn't follow the rules, but everyone makes mistakes, so no hard feelings. Doesn't change my mind about you, the site, or anything else. I still look forward to the game and still respect you as community leader.

Just as a suggestion for the future, if one is exeptional that doesn't win or meet the citeria, maybe give out a different award for that. If the judge/judges feel strongly about one that didn't make the top spots, maybe give them a lesser special title.

Still, in regards to the winning entry, congrats, and no respect lost for the community leader and leaders.
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# 188
03-26-2009, 09:04 AM
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# 189
03-26-2009, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by AdmiralWynn View Post
Too little too late. You fail at your job, in my view.
Come on. That is not necissary. His job is not to appease us with a draconian following of the rules.
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# 190
03-26-2009, 09:12 AM
It's done and over with. The fact some individuals have taken this exceptionally too far. They've gone well past tolerable levels of acceptance in this mistake, and gone into the field of hate mongering and harassment. That's right, the people still trying to incite rage over this are no longer trying to act peacefully over this, they have gone past that. They have entered the realm of hate and harassment, and have turned any chance of a peaceful resolution to this and maybe getting the contests back into a pipe dream now. It is very shameful indeed, a mistake was made but these individuals want to drag this through the mud and have cost the entire community any future contest possibilities. They think they are crusaders, when they can't even see they are apart of the problem.
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