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Lt. Commander
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# 31
07-28-2010, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mongoson View Post
what does a klingon need with a tribble?
Buffs that Fed players get to have in PvP?
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# 32
07-28-2010, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Matunus
and i pay by the month get over it. and show me were it says the it would be put in game eventually from my understanding it was said that it wouldnt. Slander plz,
Where did I say I have a problem with all monthlies, where did I act like I was better than you? I have no problem with monthlies, I don't think I'm better, I have a problem with those who act like all Lifers are playin for free and think they are better than anyone else.


BTW, Mr. Stahl himself

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This leads to ... hmm.. we only have x number of ship artists... if we put it in the C-Store it will allow us to offset costs and get it to you sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by Mongoson View Post
well, i guess this all comes down to personal opinion. to some it is, to others it isnt.

myself, not played any of the races. so have no clue

far as the ships, oh yes I have those, and the Gx, wasnt an advantage, my AC still runs circles around it. Even phaser spec.

tribble? heck one of the best tribbles you can get is the borg on, and that was free.. what does a klingon need with a tribble?
My point was, they are more than cosmetic, it isn't an opinion. Cosmetic items are visual only, such as uniforms or skins, those items had effects and are therefore more than just "cosmetic"
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# 33
07-28-2010, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripcurl
Buffs that Fed players get to have in PvP?
Klinks don't OMG thats just soooooo unfair thats game breaking and must be fix .

See can be applied to almost anything.
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# 34
07-28-2010, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripcurl
They have unique traits that you can't have access to unless you buy them. Play a Pakled with certain ground chosen traits in Ground PvP, you'll rarely be stunned or placated because of the added "dumb luck" trait you can buy.

The rest of your blind defending is pointless, because you miss the point where it was said items in the nickel & dime store were cosmetic only, when it's clearly obvious they're more than "just cosmetic" and have blatantly obvious game effects on some of the items being sold.
Unique does not equal advantage... Because if that was the case my ship is unique so i should have the advange right??? .... But wait your ship is also unique so it should also have the advantage???

Also when you chose your Captain you have a list of skill right? Can you chose all of them... No right? So you chose your skills and i chose mine... You might chose warp specialist and i might chose something else. At the end we might end up with the same skills or we might not. The important point if we do not have the same skill that make me unique so does you... HIs my captain better or is your?
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# 35
07-28-2010, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpt.William2 View Post
Where did I say I have a problem with all monthlies, where did I act like I was better than you? I have no problem with monthlies, I don't think I'm better, I have a problem with those who act like all Lifers are playin for free and think they are better than anyone else.


BTW, Mr. Stahl himself






My point was, they are more than cosmetic, it isn't an opinion. Cosmetic items are visual only, such as uniforms or skins, those items had effects and are therefore more than just "cosmetic"
I belive in another post he states that it wouldn't make it into game either. just cant find it, anyways and I dont have a problem with lifers its just that alot of thies threads that complain about the c store or what sould be free in game are started by them.
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# 36
07-28-2010, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Diomasach View Post
Unique does not equal advantage... Because if that was the case my ship is unique so i should have the advange right??? .... But wait your ship is also unique so it should also have the advantage???

Also when you chose your Captain you have a list of skill right? Can you chose all of them... No right? So you chose your skills and i chose mine... You might chose warp specialist and i might chose something else. At the end we might end up with the same skills or we might not. The important point if we do not have the same skill that make me unique so does you... HIs my captain better or is your?
But they get to pay extra and have more Skills, therefore they have an advantage, having more options and a better ability to make a stronger Captain.

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Originally Posted by Matunus
I belive in another post he states that it wouldn't make it into game either. just cant find it, anyways and I dont have a problem with lifers its just that alot of thies threads that complain about the c store or what sould be free in game are started by them.
If you don't have a problem with lifers than why post this:

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Originally Posted by Matunus
. Answer me this why does it seam to me anyways that the biggest complainers are the lifers that feel they are better than all the rest and because they paid 300 up front it all should be free for them now?
Btw, this thread was started by a non-lifer and some of the people against this are lifers, so that statement makes little sense
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# 37
07-28-2010, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpt.William2 View Post
But they get to pay extra and have more Skills, therefore they have an advantage, having more options and a better ability to make a stronger Captain.



If you don't have a problem with lifers than why post this:



Btw, this thread was started by a non-lifer and some of the people against this are lifers, so that statement makes little sense
I give UP William for you unique skill sold on the C-Store mean better yet you did not answer my question before that...

Just another quick one for William... since i got my Connie from Gamestop when i bought the game in December and i am also a lifer playing with a liberated Bord for a Captain does mean i am paying to be better?
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# 38
07-28-2010, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by meehee View Post
to those who arnt bothered with the c-store..... you should be...

With the new retrofit ships cryptic are pretty much showing the way the games heading.... you want choice you have to buy it via the c-store....

Sure you can acquire more retrofit ships per character via ingame means but to do that takes over a month worth of grinding emblems.... that's not a viable way to get a new ship considering all previous ships could be bought via ingame money...

With such a radical change of ingame item acquisition, you can bet your ass that in the near future if you want something you are gonna have to pay real money for it... which is a load of crap considering thats what our monthly fees (or in my case the large lump sum) pays for... as is the case with most other MMO's
I would like to see an option to earn 90%+ of the C-store items via in game play

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Originally Posted by Jackalope View Post
Bill and I have both posted over on the Champions boards to respond to questions raised by microtransactions. I'll just reiterate what's already been copied and pasted from Bill's State of the Game address on Champions:
  • The vast majority are aesthetic items, such as costume pieces, action figures, emblems, etc.
  • A very few are account-level management tools, such as being able to rename a character
  • Micro-transactions should never limit your ability to enjoy the game or reach the level cap
  • Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play


These principles apply also to Star Trek.

BTW, I haven't been too active on these boards over the past few months. In my role, I oversee development of both Champions and STO (as well as another mystery project); a lot of focus has been on Champions as it approaches launch. But as soon as it hits shelves (Sept. 1st), I'll be turning my "lidless eye" (gratuitous geek reference) to STO. I'm even moving my office downstairs to be with the team. Craig tells me that the STO crew met that with a lot of...excitement (or fear, not sure which). So you'll be seeing my bright shining face a tad more in the days to come.

Still waiting
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# 39
07-28-2010, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Diomasach View Post
I give UP William for you unique skill sold on the C-Store mean better yet you did not answer my question before that...

Just another quick one for William... since i got my Connie from Gamestop when i bought the game in December and i am also a lifer playing with a liberated Bord for a Captain does mean i am paying to be better?
Technically yes, but at the same time, they were given simply for buying, but money was exchanged, so that is somewhat tricky to determine. That is up to interpretation.
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# 40
07-28-2010, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sakuroshin View Post
I'm sick of everything having to be bought from the c-store
I'm sick of reading threads about "everything having to be bought from the c-store," so I guess we're even :p

It's not only bad English, but horrible hyperbole. I need to buy "everything" from the C-Store? Like being able to roll some characters, the ability to go through all of the game content, being able to store things in the bank, picking up items, having access to fleets and the exchange, being bale to chat, being able to log in, being able to alter my character or ship's looks? I have to buy that all from the C-Store?

<Plays the game for a moment>

Hey! I can do all of that stuff without paying! What are you trying to pull over on me?

<Investigates rest of the OP's post>

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I feel that when I pay a monthly fee that it should cover any newly released content, however it seems if you want to get a full experience in the game I have to spend MORE money on a game that I bought and then payed a monthly fee for. I have not played any other mmo that need more then my monthly fee for me to get everything that the game had to offer.
Heh, you should walk over to the Blizzard Store and tell them that :p At least here you don't have to invest in collectible cards to get some of the most unique items in the game :p

Besides, what is the full experience of the game? Being able to play up to the level cap? Collecting every ship in the game? Collecting every Tribble in the game? Collecting a ton of Data Samples and going hog wild at Memory Alpha? Hording all the Chateau Picard you can stuff into your bank?

The problem is that "a full experience in the game" is a subjective term based upon individual experience.

I also find it kind of hard that you "have not played any other mmo that need more then my monthly fee for me to get everything that the game had to offer." Heck, even Farmville and YoVille have optional buy-ins. DDO is free to play, sure, but to get the better experience, you'll want a subscription, and even then there's stuff that you can purchase from their online store that arguably makes the experience better. Blizzard and Sony, two of the bigger MMO houses out there, are even "guilty" of having microtransactions on top of any monthly subs.

So if this sort of thing is new to you, you might want to get used to it. Don't blame Cryptic for doing something that has become a standard in MMOs. After all, even if you buy a ticket to get into Disneyworld, you still have to pay for the souvenirs.
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