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Lt. Commander
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# 41
07-28-2010, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by meehee View Post
to those who arnt bothered with the c-store..... you should be...
I'm not bothered with the C-Store in and of itself. I'm bothered with the amount of stuff going up there...and the seeming randomness of the pricing. And the per-character crap is incredibly scary and has me concerned...but the concept in theory is still sound.

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With the new retrofit ships cryptic are pretty much showing the way the games heading.... you want choice you have to buy it via the c-store...

Sure you can acquire more retrofit ships per character via ingame means but to do that takes over a month worth of grinding emblems.... that's not a viable way to get a new ship considering all previous ships could be bought via ingame money...
Um...I should direct you to the refit ship FAQ...You can still get a ship just as soon as you hit VA1...the same way you get the rest of the ships every time you gain a rank. The other two options (grind for emblems or purchase through the C-Store) are merely other ways that you can get it. I have no idea how long it takes to level from RA5 to VA1, but it won't take a month unless you're a casual player that only has time to play a couple hours a day.

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With such a radical change of ingame item acquisition, you can bet your ass that in the near future if you want something you are gonna have to pay real money for it... which is a load of crap considering thats what our monthly fees (or in my case the large lump sum) pays for... as is the case with most other MMO's
Um, you do know that most other companies have some form of micro-transaction store, right? Cryptic's not the first nor will it be the last.
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# 42
07-28-2010, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_Armstrong View Post

Um, you do know that most other companies have some form of micro-transaction store, right? Cryptic's not the first nor will it be the last.
But many are free to play or have small Microtansaction stores.

STO is a Pay to Play MMO, with almost $230 worth of content in the C-Store after only half a year.
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# 43
07-28-2010, 05:37 PM
....yet you are not forced to buy that $230 worth of content; you do so by your own free will.
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# 44
07-28-2010, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by georgh View Post
....yet you are not forced to buy that $230 worth of content; you do so by your own free will.
But it still means that their is content, Unique Races, Ships, and items, that we pay a sub or paid a sub for, that we have to pay for seperately.
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# 45
07-28-2010, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Diomasach View Post
Unique does not equal advantage... Because if that was the case my ship is unique so i should have the advange right??? .... But wait your ship is also unique so it should also have the advantage???

Also when you chose your Captain you have a list of skill right? Can you chose all of them... No right? So you chose your skills and i chose mine... You might chose warp specialist and i might chose something else. At the end we might end up with the same skills or we might not. The important point if we do not have the same skill that make me unique so does you... HIs my captain better or is your?

It doesn't matter how big an advantage an item has, we're talking about game effects. Somebody above mentioned all the items in the nickel & dime store are cosmetic only, I'm pointing out that they're not all cosmetic, many of them have game effects. According to Jackalope (his exact quote is in my signature) STO will not sell any items in the store with game effects that you can't obtain through game play. Sure you can't choose all of the species traits, but some of the store species exclusive traits aren't available for the option of choosing, unless you purchase them at this time.
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# 46
07-28-2010, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
I'm sick of reading threads about "everything having to be bought from the c-store," so I guess we're even :p

It's not only bad English, but horrible hyperbole. I need to buy "everything" from the C-Store? Like being able to roll some characters, the ability to go through all of the game content, being able to store things in the bank, picking up items, having access to fleets and the exchange, being bale to chat, being able to log in, being able to alter my character or ship's looks? I have to buy that all from the C-Store?

<Plays the game for a moment>

Hey! I can do all of that stuff without paying! What are you trying to pull over on me?

<Investigates rest of the OP's post>


Heh, you should walk over to the Blizzard Store and tell them that :p At least here you don't have to invest in collectible cards to get some of the most unique items in the game :p

Besides, what is the full experience of the game? Being able to play up to the level cap? Collecting every ship in the game? Collecting every Tribble in the game? Collecting a ton of Data Samples and going hog wild at Memory Alpha? Hording all the Chateau Picard you can stuff into your bank?

The problem is that "a full experience in the game" is a subjective term based upon individual experience.

I also find it kind of hard that you "have not played any other mmo that need more then my monthly fee for me to get everything that the game had to offer." Heck, even Farmville and YoVille have optional buy-ins. DDO is free to play, sure, but to get the better experience, you'll want a subscription, and even then there's stuff that you can purchase from their online store that arguably makes the experience better. Blizzard and Sony, two of the bigger MMO houses out there, are even "guilty" of having microtransactions on top of any monthly subs.

So if this sort of thing is new to you, you might want to get used to it. Don't blame Cryptic for doing something that has become a standard in MMOs. After all, even if you buy a ticket to get into Disneyworld, you still have to pay for the souvenirs.
HAHA!Classic!Bottom line is this...nothing is for free.Cryptic needs to make money so we can have more content.Blizzard pulls in millions of dollars yet they too have a MT store.No such thing as a "free" MMO.Go play ********* or Runes of Magic then come back and tell me how "free" they are.

For the small advantages the joined trill have or any of the other races have ,they are negated in PvP ...trust me.Heres a hint...group fire.
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# 47
07-28-2010, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpt.William2 View Post
But it still means that their is content, Unique Races, Ships, and items, that we pay a sub or paid a sub for, that we have to pay for seperately.



how come nearly all of your posts start with "but" ?





arguing for the sake of argument perhaps ?


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# 48
07-28-2010, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DCMS View Post
HAHA!Classic!Bottom line is this...nothing is for free.Cryptic needs to make money so we can have more content.Blizzard pulls in millions of dollars yet they too have a MT store.No such thing as a "free" MMO.Go play ********* or Runes of Magic then come back and tell me how "free" they are.

For the small advantages the joined trill have or any of the other races have ,they are negated in PvP ...trust me.Heres a hint...group fire.
As for free MMO's, of course there is not, that is why the have SUBSCRIPTIONS. Cryptic gets money from Monthlies every month and got 16 months upfront from Lifers, they have money, they just want more.

By the way , WOW's entire MT Store is 6 pets, two of which come with a real life stuffed animal, all equaling $95 total. That is the entire MT store from a game that has been out for 5.5 years. I think they also have some services, couldn't find em.

STO's MT store, consists of Several different species, bridge officers, pets, emotes, uniforms, ship costumes, bridges, ships, services and more, totalling just under $230 in only .5 years.


A little different.

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Originally Posted by cold_gin_time_again View Post
how come nearly all of your posts start with "but" ?



arguing for the sake of argument perhaps ?


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No, he made a point that moved away from the point, I was saying But, as in "yes that is true, but..."
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# 49
07-28-2010, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripcurl

It doesn't matter how big an advantage an item has, we're talking about game effects. Somebody above mentioned all the items in the nickel & dime store are cosmetic only, I'm pointing out that they're not all cosmetic, many of them have game effects. According to Jackalope (his exact quote is in my signature) STO will not sell any items in the store with game effects that you can't obtain through game play. Sure you can't choose all of the species traits, but some of the store species exclusive traits aren't available for the option of choosing, unless you purchase them at this time.
like are already told some one else... i will say the same thing to you.... i gave up.... Unique does not translate to being better or having an advantage.
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# 50
07-29-2010, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Diomasach View Post
like are already told some one else... i will say the same thing to you.... i gave up.... Unique does not translate to being better or having an advantage.
And like I said to you 2 times now, the argument isn't how minor or major or how much of an advantage an effect has. The argument is that there are C-Store items being sold that are more than "just cosmetic" and indeed have game effects on them.
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