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# 401
06-14-2011, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PhiloPhi
I also don't think this belongs in "Feedback". I had trouble finding it just now. Thankfully I remembered SpiderMitch's name, so I used the search function to find it.

And yes, this chart is freaking amazing!
Just in case you ever need to find it again, http://bit.ly/stoshipchart is a redirector that comes directly to the original post of this thread. It's on the top of the charts, in case anyone that's downloaded the chart wants to get the latest & greatest - but has forgotten or can't find the thread.
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# 402
06-14-2011, 05:11 PM
Our charts are now obsolete Spidermitch!

Season 4 has revamped the entire shipstore. Now you can scroll though all the ships and see a model of it (like in the ship editing window), you can also look at all variants of each skin, also all of the ships stats and special abilites are shown as well. It's very similar to my original chart and your new on Spidermitch. Its 'very' nice! You 'have' to check it out :-D
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# 403
06-15-2011, 02:55 PM
Quote:
Our charts are now obsolete Spidermitch!

Season 4 has revamped the entire shipstore. Now you can scroll though all the ships and see a model of it (like in the ship editing window), you can also look at all variants of each skin, also all of the ships stats and special abilites are shown as well. It's very similar to my original chart and your new on Spidermitch. Its 'very' nice! You 'have' to check it out :-D
actually Suricata, i don't think so
you must remember, not everyone has the time to freely go through that new ship tailor (those who can play 2 hours every day, or something like that)
so while i'm sure visitors to the charts will decrease a bit, your charts are still invaluable resources, and people will want to continue seeing them
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# 404
06-16-2011, 02:43 AM
Ship requisitions is missing a few ships yet last I looked, anything you don't claim from there specifically.

Anyway, my bookmarks are a lot more convenient than ship requisitions. Spidermitch's charts will still be my go-to resource.


While I'm at it, the MV escort only has two device slots.
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# 405
06-27-2011, 11:24 AM
So having read the comments about the new ship requisition UI, I jumped into tribble, patched up, and ran to the npc. What I discovered was something that looked like a flash version of my chart. haha. I think it's great that Cryptic is finally letting you view all the ships from all angles. Previewing the ships was one of the original reasons I began working on these charts.

So, I was kinda thinking like Suricata: maybe our charts are now obsolete. Then I played this double XP weekend, and got my KDF Orion up to Lt. Gen. I exported the character to tribble to try to figure out which last tier ship to get. I was excited to use the new ship requisitions UI to try to decide on the ship. I pulled it up and started to compare the ships... And... I found it frustrating. While I could look at the ship in a 360 view and see all angles & such, I found comparing the stats very annoying, having to constantly click from one to the other, remembering the previous BOF & consoles and such.

Anyway, I wound up pullin up my own shipchart for reference, and I made the decision that I'd keep working on it, because I really find it easier for comparison.

One thing that may change, is that I may take some of the various angles of the ships off. With the ability to see it every which way in the requisition UI, do we really need the stills of each angle? Maybe just a side and a quarter angle? I pose this question to everyone. Maybe just a top and side? Or just Top & Quarter? Or all of them (like it is)? What do you think?
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# 406
06-27-2011, 11:48 AM
personally, I couldn't imagine your charts without the views we have in fact, i wish we had more views (it's a small wish though, so i'll be okay if you don't change the current views)

and yeah, compared to the ship selections UI, your charts are MUCH easier... and we'd be sad if we lost such invaluable resources

so please, keep up the great work!

(and btw, when i looked at the icon legend on the fed chart, i noticed that crew indicator was using the old style, which makes it look out of place compared to the new crew icon on every ship... just to let you know)
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# 407
06-27-2011, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by spidermitch View Post
...Anyway, I wound up pullin up my own shipchart for reference, and I made the decision that I'd keep working on it, because I really find it easier for comparison.

One thing that may change, is that I may take some of the various angles of the ships off. With the ability to see it every which way in the requisition UI, do we really need the stills of each angle? Maybe just a side and a quarter angle? I pose this question to everyone. Maybe just a top and side? Or just Top & Quarter? Or all of them (like it is)? What do you think?
Glad to hear you're going to keep this updated. I've got two monitors and I'll put your chart on one side while I play STO on the other. I love using your chart to compare ships.

I like all the views in your chart. I'd say leave them if it isn't too much more effort at this point. *IF* you do decide to remove them, I'd vote that you leave in a side view and ... I don't know what you call it but one where you see the ship coming towards you and you sort of see the the front, top, and side and an angle, like's it's swooping down towards the viewer.
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# 408
06-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spidermitch View Post


So, I was kinda thinking like Suricata: maybe our charts are now obsolete. Then I played this double XP weekend, and got my KDF Orion up to Lt. Gen. I exported the character to tribble to try to figure out which last tier ship to get. I was excited to use the new ship requisitions UI to try to decide on the ship. I pulled it up and started to compare the ships... And... I found it frustrating. While I could look at the ship in a 360 view and see all angles & such, I found comparing the stats very annoying, having to constantly click from one to the other, remembering the previous BOF & consoles and such.

Anyway, I wound up pullin up my own shipchart for reference, and I made the decision that I'd keep working on it, because I really find it easier for comparison.

I came to a similar conclusion and started working on the season 4 version of my own charts, I've opted for a top/side view of the ships (replacing the vector side views to make updating easier), I also removed inertia since I really don't think it is a stat that players really consider when purchasing a ship.

It seems like our ship charts are starting to meet halfway :-P

And yes, I'm really happy they were inspired by our charts and implemented a flash styled version of it in the game :-P
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# 409
06-27-2011, 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spidermitch View Post
So having read the comments about the new ship requisition UI, I jumped into tribble, patched up, and ran to the npc. What I discovered was something that looked like a flash version of my chart. haha. I think it's great that Cryptic is finally letting you view all the ships from all angles. Previewing the ships was one of the original reasons I began working on these charts.

So, I was kinda thinking like Suricata: maybe our charts are now obsolete. Then I played this double XP weekend, and got my KDF Orion up to Lt. Gen. I exported the character to tribble to try to figure out which last tier ship to get. I was excited to use the new ship requisitions UI to try to decide on the ship. I pulled it up and started to compare the ships... And... I found it frustrating. While I could look at the ship in a 360 view and see all angles & such, I found comparing the stats very annoying, having to constantly click from one to the other, remembering the previous BOF & consoles and such.

Anyway, I wound up pullin up my own shipchart for reference, and I made the decision that I'd keep working on it, because I really find it easier for comparison.

One thing that may change, is that I may take some of the various angles of the ships off. With the ability to see it every which way in the requisition UI, do we really need the stills of each angle? Maybe just a side and a quarter angle? I pose this question to everyone. Maybe just a top and side? Or just Top & Quarter? Or all of them (like it is)? What do you think?
Personally leave them the way they are, I love looking at your charts! I would have been sad if you would have stopped...
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# 410
06-28-2011, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PatricianVetinari
Glad to hear you're going to keep this updated. I've got two monitors and I'll put your chart on one side while I play STO on the other. I love using your chart to compare ships.

I like all the views in your chart. I'd say leave them if it isn't too much more effort at this point. *IF* you do decide to remove them, I'd vote that you leave in a side view and ... I don't know what you call it but one where you see the ship coming towards you and you sort of see the the front, top, and side and an angle, like's it's swooping down towards the viewer.
Agreed!

I'm very glad to see you're intending to continue with the charts. I too prefer the mix of views, but if there were to be a choice of only two then the side and "quarter" views are preferred.
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