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# 21
08-07-2010, 06:55 PM
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i just also made a thread about Size & Scale being off in the entire game. IT really needs to be fixed ! - OOP
can't find your thread but yes the scale is off altogether. Go any where in game that you can find a table and chair. zoom out and look at yourself.


ridiculous
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# 22
08-07-2010, 07:11 PM
Scale is a huge topic when it comes to canon. I really hope they consider resizing the many objects and ships that are out of proportion.
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# 23
08-07-2010, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Krizonar
In game- DS9 is 2-3 times its original size.
Take a look at that guy's pic though. The Defiant is supposed to be much smaller than the Excelsior class. The Excelsior Class is supposed to be much smaller than the Galaxy class. Yet, in the first episode of DS9, the Enterprise D is docked with DS9 and looks not too much bigger than the Defiant class.

The show changed the size of the ships for dramatic effect. So, the devs can't do that. The Defiant can't change size mid-game for dramatic effect and account for the players around it so easily. The obvious answer: make DS9 bigger or else the Galaxy class would encompass the entire station.
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# 24
08-07-2010, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpt.CHRONIC
The thing about the defiant is that during the show they were never really consistent with it's scale in regards to other ships and the ds9 station itself. This has caused all sorts of confusion on exactly what size the defiant is. We know its supposed to be small but due to the inconsitancies during the show the exact scale is really up to interpretation. Even the charts out there are rough estimates of scale.
This.

When it comes to scale canon is a mess and can't be relied upon at all. The sizes now "feel" right enough, and work as far as gameplay goes.
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# 25
08-07-2010, 09:38 PM
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This.

When it comes to scale canon is a mess and can't be relied upon at all. The sizes now "feel" right enough, and work as far as gameplay goes.
How, exactly, does the current size of DS9 feel 'right'?

Now, I'm totally aware (being an absolute E-A-S.org junkie! ) that the scales of both DS9 and the Defiant are nebulous topics, but when you consider that EVERY canon ship in game that's ever been seen next to DS9 in the shows (including the Cardassian Galor, the Jem'Hadar attack ship, the Galaxy/Intrepid/Defiant classes and the runabouts) is way too small next to the station, it's pretty 'cut and dried' that the station model is too honkin' big!

My suggestion would be this - considering that the models of the Galaxy/Nebula were designed with a fixed scale in mind, and that both were shown docked at the station, the Devs should at least use them as a more reliable comparison point. I'm almost certain that scaling DS9 down to match this would mean that other, less well-scaled ships like the Defiant would also look 'right', if not 100% perfect, next to the station.

Basically, it boils down to this - any solution isn't going to be perfect, and will involve some sort of compromise that will affect certain ships more than others. But the current stance of TPTB seems to be 'since we can't get accurate scaling for every ship compared to DS9, we might as well make EVERYTHING mis-scaled! Yeah - that looks much better!'.

Which is frankly baffling - and deeply illogical, to boot!
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# 26
08-07-2010, 09:58 PM
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Take a look at that guy's pic though. The Defiant is supposed to be much smaller than the Excelsior class. The Excelsior Class is supposed to be much smaller than the Galaxy class. Yet, in the first episode of DS9, the Enterprise D is docked with DS9 and looks not too much bigger than the Defiant class.

The show changed the size of the ships for dramatic effect. So, the devs can't do that. The Defiant can't change size mid-game for dramatic effect and account for the players around it so easily. The obvious answer: make DS9 bigger or else the Galaxy class would encompass the entire station.
Romulan warbird is 1341m long. DS9 is 1451m diameter. They really fail to show this.

DS9 is such a tiny station in comparison to most starships. If someone wanted they could merely ram the station with a single starship and it would be destroyed no amount of shielding could prevent this.
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# 27
08-07-2010, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dorko1 View Post
Take a look at that guy's pic though. The Defiant is supposed to be much smaller than the Excelsior class. The Excelsior Class is supposed to be much smaller than the Galaxy class. Yet, in the first episode of DS9, the Enterprise D is docked with DS9 and looks not too much bigger than the Defiant class.

The show changed the size of the ships for dramatic effect. So, the devs can't do that. The Defiant can't change size mid-game for dramatic effect and account for the players around it so easily. The obvious answer: make DS9 bigger or else the Galaxy class would encompass the entire station.
Actually no, Galaxy class would merely take up about a quarter of the station.
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# 28
08-07-2010, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by USS Parallax
The Devs have already said they like it the current size. Which is ridiculous and completely unneeded.
Even in DS9, the size of the DS9 visually wasn't consistent. I'm not going to hunt them up be in a previous thread similar to this screenshots were posted of various ships docked with DS9.

The station in the beginnering 1 kilometer whic the scale the sets are sbild to.. When the Enterprise D was dock the station was scaled at over 2 kilometers in the visuals. The station oficially set set to 1.5 kilometers. The Defiant in docking shots made the problem worse due to it's own inconsistent size issue 50-170m).
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# 29
08-07-2010, 10:08 PM
I can't believe this for a company that seems to care more about visuals and aesthetics more than game play. Please at least try and get the scales of the station to ships correct.
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# 30
08-07-2010, 10:11 PM
According to normal canon size. Defiant was around 50m indeed, which makes a lot of sense. But again dubious sources also add Sabre class as being smaller even though certain again mismatched records show that ship to being 364.77m long
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