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# 61
08-16-2010, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by USS Parallax
Seems like a lot of us are giving up. We just want content and we add "for the C-Store" to try and make it happen.

I hate the C-Store. It's pure evil. But I still find myself compromising and suggesting stuff for the C-Store when in reality, again, I hate it and believe nothing should be in it at all. The amount of content is already too small even compared to most MMOs out there to be charging me for other stuff.
pretty much hit the spot there for me.

this game doesn't have nearly enough content as is for them to try and squeeze even more money out of us.

i might have agreed with the C-store if klingons actually were playable to the same extent as feds, but when they delay and delay again the release of fun content for the klingons in favour wasting precious manhours on useless stuff for the C-store** i'm really finding it hard to take cryptic as a serious MMO company.

**no i don't care if they have dedicated team(s) for the C-store or not, its still wasted manhours better spent on the actual game...
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# 62
08-16-2010, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Admiral_Garrovick990
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Unfortunately, though, I don't see it going away anytime soon. Blizzard has made a ton of money off their store just selling cosmetic stuff like in-game pets, mounts, etc.
but thats the difference. bar the mounts (that isnt ANY better then what we can get in game) its purely cosmetic stuff.

Cryptic is actually making stuff thats beyond cosmetic doodle, like the different races, and the galaxy-x, even tho that's not such a great ship it's pretty much an icon in the star trek lore and for most true fans is a must have, and they knew that as they charge such a stupid price for it.

tbh, cryptic needs to decide if they want to be a proper MMO or a crappy F2P game with a item mall, trying to be both obviously is not working as the declining subscriptions show.
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# 63
08-16-2010, 07:48 PM
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but thats the difference. bar the mounts (that isnt ANY better then what we can get in game) its purely cosmetic stuff.

Cryptic is actually making stuff thats beyond cosmetic doodle, like the different races, and the galaxy-x, even tho that's not such a great ship it's pretty much an icon in the star trek lore and for most true fans is a must have, and they knew that as they charge such a stupid price for it.

tbh, cryptic needs to decide if they want to be a proper MMO or a crappy F2P game with a item mall, trying to be both obviously is not working as the declining subscriptions show.
Absolutely, you are correct.
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# 64
08-17-2010, 05:25 AM
Wanting more free content instead of C-Store content doesn't necessarily mean we're cheap or poor. I've already spent hundreds of dollars on the game buying my Pre-Order and my Lifetime Sub.

Sure, character slots, name changes, ship slots, are all fine in the C-Store. That stuff's simple bread-and-butter MMO-Store stuff. That stuff's expected. Actual ships, playable races, respec tokens, etc, should be part of the playable-game, not a buyable extra. Especially respec tokens, unless they give us a way to save Skill Sets to freely switch between once paid for with Merits (as I've suggested elsewhere). Which other games punish you for wanting to try a different Skill build?

So many times I've seen new updates/items announced and thought "Oooh, yes, i'd like that" only to find that yet again, it's C-Store only. Lame. So I just go without.

I'd much rather Cryptic spent their time making things that everybody can/will use, rather than just making random bits that a small number of people will pay to use. Seems a bit of a shame to spend time making things that most players won't use. Bear in mind that each update to the C-Store could have been a 'proper' update in-game, improving it for those that play and encouraging new players to join.

Every time you see something new to the C-Store, I want you to think "Hmmm, they could have added something new for everybody instead of spending time on that..." :p
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# 65
08-17-2010, 06:06 AM
My issue with the c-store is the quality of the goods being sold, which im suprised no one has complained about.

The Nomad had to be fixed several times is one example, and Im very disapointed with the re-hashed Galaxy class bridge which the textures on the consoles are beyond a joke (poor cut and paste effort) and the officers are not even correctly sitting on their chairs but hovering on them.

If cryptic wants to sell ingame items on the c-store then they need to make sure that they are not a cheap effort and actualy get the QA team to actualy do their job and test them before they are launched.
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# 66
08-17-2010, 06:58 AM
I think, as many have already pointed out, that the existence of the C-Store isn't necessarily a bad thing for the game. However, at this stage in its development, there is a serious lack of content included in the game for "free". It's painful to see so many items go up on the C-Store, and so few items which you don't have to pay extra for be added to the game. I think they should focus on getting a decent amount of content in the game which players don't have to pay extra for, before they start throwing a lot of things onto the C-Store.
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# 67
08-17-2010, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharpkiller View Post
..., and so few items which you don't have to pay extra for be added to the game.
Exactly, like no Rewards for the new Missions.
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# 68
08-19-2010, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by USS Parallax
Seems like a lot of us are giving up. We just want content and we add "for the C-Store" to try and make it happen.

I hate the C-Store. It's pure evil. But I still find myself compromising and suggesting stuff for the C-Store when in reality, again, I hate it and believe nothing should be in it at all. The amount of content is already too small even compared to most MMOs out there to be charging me for other stuff.
You know why some of us are finally giving up? It's because Cryptic doesn't listen to us. They relegate any complaint (no matter how small) to the C-Store & Promotions section, buried and forgotten. It's as if they don't care about the players and only see dollar signs.

I've made my stance pretty clear throughout the last few months regarding the C-Store. I agree that things have gotten way too out of hand and need to be fixed. The concept of an MT store is not new nor is it inherently a bad thing. Like so many other things in life it's how it is handled that matters, not the existence of said thing.

My complaints and concerns are that so much has been put up in so short of a time period for what seems to be arbitrary and increasingly large amounts of CP. These things add up, you know (2000CP for a ship that's not as cool as my Star Cruiser? No, thank you...I'll pass on that). My other big complaint is that there is now PER-CHARACTER crap on the C-Store. With the exception of some items (respec, rename, etc.) everything should be unlocked account-wide.

And then there's the promise from the powers-that-be that anything put up on the C-Store will be earnable in-game. Guess what? That's yet to happen to anything except for the respec option and the new refit ships...and even those are pretty damn hard to get. Put these items as unlocks through some means (missions, accolades, badges, etc) and some of us probably wouldn't be *****ing so much about the sheer greed that seems to be floating around marketing.

For those of you talking about the finance/accounting side...WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE IS FUNDING!!! They could be spending the money made on C-Store crap on blow and hookers or they could be funneling it back into the game and are working towards making it better. Until they outright state one way or the other the best we can do is speculate.
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# 69
08-19-2010, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack_Armstrong View Post
You know why some of us are finally giving up? It's because Cryptic doesn't listen to us. They relegate any complaint (no matter how small) to the C-Store & Promotions section, buried and forgotten. It's as if they don't care about the players and only see dollar signs.

I've made my stance pretty clear throughout the last few months regarding the C-Store. I agree that things have gotten way too out of hand and need to be fixed. The concept of an MT store is not new nor is it inherently a bad thing. Like so many other things in life it's how it is handled that matters, not the existence of said thing.

My complaints and concerns are that so much has been put up in so short of a time period for what seems to be arbitrary and increasingly large amounts of CP. These things add up, you know (2000CP for a ship that's not as cool as my Star Cruiser? No, thank you...I'll pass on that). My other big complaint is that there is now PER-CHARACTER crap on the C-Store. With the exception of some items (respec, rename, etc.) everything should be unlocked account-wide.

And then there's the promise from the powers-that-be that anything put up on the C-Store will be earnable in-game. Guess what? That's yet to happen to anything except for the respec option and the new refit ships...and even those are pretty damn hard to get. Put these items as unlocks through some means (missions, accolades, badges, etc) and some of us probably wouldn't be *****ing so much about the sheer greed that seems to be floating around marketing.

For those of you talking about the finance/accounting side...WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE IS FUNDING!!! They could be spending the money made on C-Store crap on blow and hookers or they could be funneling it back into the game and are working towards making it better. Until they outright state one way or the other the best we can do is speculate.
Very good points, as usual. Agreed, 100%
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# 70
08-22-2010, 05:18 PM
I am surprised that we havent heard the recycled excuses of why the C-Store exists from a Mod yet. Let's see, we have heard excuses that range from it allows more customization all the way to it keeps the game afloat.

If this game has to rely upon MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTIONS and the C-STORE to stay around, then this game is failing. The player base obviously does not exist or cryptic is unable to manage its funds.

Then we get the statements saying that the C-store sales allow more people to be added to the Dev team. If this is the case, then the person added is there just to make c-store items. But then you get statements from Captlogan stating that he has been working on ships for the c-store.

This brings me to another lie cryptic spreads in which they state that c-store items are only being worked on after hours. In that case why has Captlogan stated several times that he has be unable to do normal work as he has been busy making content for the C-Store?

My personal favorite comment regarding the C-store was from Dstalh stating that the money generated by the C-Store goes to bug fixes. I still laugh MAO at this statement. There have been bugs in this game since OB that STILL exist 6 months later. (Coughs) Kar'rat.

I bought this game when it was $49.99 pre-order. I have paid a montly Sub for almost 7 months now. I should not have to spend any extra money to get a satisfactory gameplay experiance. But this is what is happening. Look at the ships and the items being placed in the C-Store. The items that are now being offered for sale are part of Trek lore.

I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY EXTRA TO HAVE TREK PUT INTO STAR TREK ONLINE!!!!!!
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