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# 11
08-26-2010, 01:20 PM
This is only going to be a real issue with Engi Captains, given their two very good Captain heal abilities. Now if they were to make Miracle Worker disable it's engines and lose all power... well that might balance things out

I mean can we have the Excelsior without a buggy Transwarp drive and awesome 80s style computer voice?

Seriously though, I do agree that putting this straight to the C-Store without even announcing an in-game method of acquiring it wasn't a very good idea. C-Store truly needs to be for cosmetic items, not ships with unique abilities. "Game Changing" can be defined many ways and just the Transwarp drive could be considered game changing, to say nothing of it being the only cruiser with a Lt.Cmdr. tac slot.

Now there are two unique ships in the C-Store, both cruisers with abilities unable to be obtained through any in-game means. I didn't really care about the Galaxy-X at first, but with that and now the Excelsior they're starting a bad precedent and really need to re-evaluate their C-Store policy. "Cosmetic Only" means no unique abilities and it's something they really need to stick to.

As far as mocking the Sovereign, I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet. Those Engi Excelsior captains may be tough to take down, but I'm not ready to declare it impossible till I face one head on. The only question is will that extra Lt. Cmdr engi slot be enough to compete with the Lt.Cmdr Tac abilities...
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# 12
08-26-2010, 01:21 PM
Azurian has a valid point here. This ship is extremely powerful. Much stronger than the so called assault cruiser.



And so yes I also bought it. Shame on me I was curious.
But I tell ya what Cryptic. Those were the last points I had to spend. No more money from this player.
What you´re doing with the c-store is insane. Stop this madness.
Go create new ships and they better NOT be in the c-store.
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# 13
08-26-2010, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
I'll be honest, right now I'm regretting being a Lifetime Subscriber. But it angers me more is the Excelsior Refit completely makes my Sovereign a completely useless PoS.

Bad enough the Star Cruiser and the Galaxy-R has more survivability, but the Excelsior-Refit has superior Tactical abilities, better manuverability, and better survival.


So all in all, Sovereign Captains got the middle finger.
What about the Klingon captains ...or whats left of them.
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# 14
08-26-2010, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkOrion69 View Post
Ignore anything Cryptic lies to us about in the C-Store. It is there solely to create a place to sell the best ships they design now. Best we can do about the T5 Excelsior being a bit over-powered is refuse to PvP against them I guess?

Thats all it is. I completely agree.
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# 15
08-26-2010, 01:23 PM
Figure at this point in time the defiant class is getting rather old.


And here we are with Excelsiors?



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Oh that cryptic...
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# 16
08-26-2010, 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
I'll be honest, right now I'm regretting being a Lifetime Subscriber. But it angers me more is the Excelsior Refit completely makes my Sovereign a completely useless PoS.

Bad enough the Star Cruiser and the Galaxy-R has more survivability, but the Excelsior-Refit has superior Tactical abilities, better manuverability, and better survival.


So all in all, Sovereign Captains got the middle finger.
And I knew this was going to happen. Eventually, the original (and proper) T5s would get outclassed by the retrofits.

My distaste in the idea of retrofits is why I didn't buy the T5 version, and I'm happily cruising around the B'Tran cluster(f#ck)......at least, when the game isn't crashing on me....
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# 17
08-26-2010, 01:32 PM
People -

Instead of whining and crying about this, man up (or woman up if it's fitting) and start thinking about suggestions and solutions to rectify this.

The past two days, one of the biggest threads on this forum featured conversation and dialouge with both Jack and dStahl. Obviously they want to hear what we have to say and want to try and overcome their stigma.

So....

Let's help them do that. Come up with ideas and solutions. Not more gripes.

My idea:

Boost up the VA ships. all of them, across the board. I've always felt they were a little weak anyway, so let's get a boost going on, that will bring them into line with the Excelsior refit, or slightly above it.

Stop crying for nerfs and start thinking proactively.
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# 18
08-26-2010, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Cryptic, you said you wouldn't put any game changing things in the C-Store and the T5 Excelsior is already doing just that. It's easily dominating in PvP.

And at the same time, you completely made a mockery of the Sovereign and all the players who Captain her.
It's QQ time!
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# 19
08-26-2010, 01:45 PM
Schwab, I was doing just that in the Tribble thread, but then they threw the curveball in releasing the T5 before players came to a consensus!

Cryptic is dead set on keeping the Excelsior Refit as is and it's very doubtful there will be any changes to the Sovereign anytime soon. So we just got the middle finger and told "if you want to do better fork over $20 for the ship and a respec token".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribbler View Post
Are you a Klingon?

If you are, I have been in several PVP battles with you guys and you have been stripping us down like crazy.

It's fair IMHO.
My Main is an Engineer Sovereign Captain, while my Secondary is a Klingon Raptor General. And I honestly saw Sovereign dieing faster than Excelsior-Refits.

Heck, as I said previously, Excelsiors with Beam Overload 3 can easily 1 shot player T5 BoPs.


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Originally Posted by gmacd View Post
What about the Klingon captains ...or whats left of them.
Afraid that's another thread in itself. From what I hear, its another 2 months before Klingons get anything. But at least the K'Vort's confirmed.


Quote:
Originally Posted by USSNighthawk
And I knew this was going to happen. Eventually, the original (and proper) T5s would get outclassed by the retrofits.
I as well, when it was announced it was going to have a LT Commander Tactical. But the Star Cruiser still is viable and is probably the best tanking ship in the game due to the Science Slots. However, the Sovereign is clearly obsolete.
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# 20
08-26-2010, 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Cryptic, you said you wouldn't put any game changing things in the C-Store and the T5 Excelsior is already doing just that. It's easily dominating in PvP.

And at the same time, you completely made a mockery of the Sovereign and all the players who Captain her.
What are you talking about its not dominating pvp, i have being pvping in mine and its not dominating, and give the sovereign will be usless thing a break the soverign is a skin thats all call irt by its name asult cruiser, and what are you goin to do when the T6 come out and its not the sovereign skin have kittens?
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