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# 21
08-26-2010, 02:17 PM
I don't think it's that the Excelsior is overpowered, so much as it underlines the fact that the Assault Cruiser is the worst Fed T5 ship in the game, with a bullet.
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# 22
08-26-2010, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptMattSchwab
People -

Instead of whining and crying about this, man up (or woman up if it's fitting) and start thinking about suggestions and solutions to rectify this.
My solution is pretty easy to do. Wait. Wait for the Nebula. See how cool that will be for 15 bucks or so. Or ... wait for the Enterprise J. Or the TOS Enterprise Refit.

They have to one up the Excelsior with those ships. And that means even more power for your RL dollars.
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# 23
08-26-2010, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
I'll be honest, right now I'm regretting being a Lifetime Subscriber. But it angers me more is the Excelsior Refit completely makes my Sovereign a completely useless PoS.

Bad enough the Star Cruiser and the Galaxy-R has more survivability, but the Excelsior-Refit has superior Tactical abilities, better manuverability, and better survival.


So all in all, Sovereign Captains got the middle finger.
Jeez. Overreact much? I see you complain alot on the forums and I always hold back to responding directly. I just can't do it this time. I doubt there's an aspect of the game you haven't whined about. Seriously, the amount of QQ over this ship is setting new records. The Excelsior has better burst potential... and less survivability. So I'm not sure how this renders your assault cruiser or mine a POS. I've already seen a number of posts that counter your claims that the Ex is OP in PvP. How many threads are you gonna spam this propaganda in? All the whining already got the LTC Sci station removed (at the very last minute... hasty) because, "oh noes, they can PSW and BO3 me... OP!" It also got all the refits nerfed too. Good lord... when the klinks finally get there refits the servers will probably crash with all the outcries of how OP they are. Bottom line; One round of PvP dailies and getting owned by players better than youor who got lucky doesn't mean anything except maybe you need to play more and QQ less on the forums.
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# 24
08-26-2010, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Matunus
What are you talking about its not dominating pvp, i have being pvping in mine and its not dominating, and give the sovereign will be usless thing a break the soverign is a skin thats all call irt by its name asult cruiser, and what are you goin to do when the T6 come out and its not the sovereign skin have kittens?
I rather focus on the now, which is the Excelsior being superior to that of the already established Sovereign.

Better manuverbility
Same HPs
And the LT Commander Tactical being superior to the Sovereign's Ensign and LT Tactical stations.

Then of course there is the Ensign Engineering slot, which gives it better survival.


Just that alone makes it superior to the Sovereign, not same as.
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# 25
08-26-2010, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
I rather focus on the now, which is the Excelsior being superior to that of the already established Sovereign.

Better manuverbility
Same HPs
And the LT Commander Tactical being superior to the Sovereign's Ensign and LT Tactical stations.

Then of course there is the Ensign Engineering slot, which gives it better survival.


Just that alone makes it superior to the Sovereign, not same as.
Pretty sure that the LTC eng BO station the AC has is a lott better than a third ensign eng BO station in terms of survivability, "of course." Again, the turn rate is 8 vs 7... the Ex is a smaller ship by the way so slightly better mobility makes sense. The ex has a Tac LTC the AC has and Eng LTC... its called a trade-off. Can someone confirm the HPs... I was under the impression the Ex had slightly less hull. What else you got...
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# 26
08-26-2010, 05:09 PM
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Pretty sure that the LTC eng BO station the AC has is a lott better than a third ensign eng BO station in terms of survivability, "of course." Again, the turn rate is 8 vs 7... the Ex is a smaller ship by the way so slightly better mobility makes sense. The ex has a Tac LTC the AC has and Eng LTC... its called a trade-off. Can someone confirm the HPs... I was under the impression the Ex had slightly less hull. What else you got...
Let's stick to the Ensign slots, okay. The Engineering Ensign is far superior to the Ensign Tactical and everyone knows it.

Right now, the Sovereign has like 46300 HPs fully Speced, while the Excelsior Refit has 45600 Hps. And relaly 700hps in PvP isn't that much of a difference.
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# 27
08-26-2010, 05:17 PM
Are we not going to get better ships as the game progresses shouldn't we they need to get better the further up in rank you go, didn't they also say that they were going do this to all ships ?
What you are throwing a temper tantrum about is that in your mind they ruined your souv that is all that's going on there is no game breaking ship that will be the end of the world I fly both ships and they both have there pluses and negative points not one better than the other .
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# 28
08-26-2010, 05:35 PM
Currently, STO is a true mircotransacton game. If you want to have the best equipment you MUST pay extra.

I really hope cryptic redo all T5 ships console and BOFF slots to bring them up to par with the Excelsior. They should post their intentions asap. This will make my cancel my subscription and I will not buy anything from the c-store until they do.

I do not mind paying extra for the skin, but I will not supoort anything but cosmetic enhancments in the c-store.
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# 29
08-26-2010, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Cryptic, you said you wouldn't put any game changing things in the C-Store and the T5 Excelsior is already doing just that. It's easily dominating in PvP.

And at the same time, you completely made a mockery of the Sovereign and all the players who Captain her.
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FYI

One thing to keep in mind is that there have been some serious discussions this week about boff/console slots on ships and the Excelsior is at the forefront of the designers thinking about how ship configs should work.

I would not be surprised to see additional configuration "updates" to existing ships in the next several months.

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I'm speculating based on my discussions with the lead designer this week. I get the sense that he is happier with how the Excelsior is turned out than some of the other ship configs. That leads me to believe that he'll want to go back and rework configs on existing ships (fed and klg).
From what I get in those statement it seems to me that all the ships will be brought in line w/ the Excelsior, so what exactly is the problem?
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# 30
08-26-2010, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Let's stick to the Ensign slots, okay. The Engineering Ensign is far superior to the Ensign Tactical and everyone knows it.

Right now, the Sovereign has like 46300 HPs fully Speced, while the Excelsior Refit has 45600 Hps. And relaly 700hps in PvP isn't that much of a difference.
What stick to the point you want to pick at? Everyone knows that of the three professions the tac ensigns are the least impressive. That said the fact remains there was fair trade off... 1 LTC for another. The AC is not the only T5 ship stuck with the unimpressive ensign tac BO station. But interestingly you, a fellow cruiser pilot, are really the loudest at declaring the Ex is OP because the AC has a tac ensign. Why aren't you griping about the Galaxy Retrofit or the SC? They have ensign slots for eng and sci. Regardless of if one ensign is slightly better or more useful than another... everyone in the game would prefer to eliminate them completely from T5 ships. But for now at least... we all get an underachiever.

Remember refits had a chance to break the mold but then no one could stop talking about how OP the defiant would be. Every attempt to move in the direction of eliminating T5 ensign BO slots has been met with QQ overload. What was your stance on those ships before they were changed? The only ones who had any right to gripe about it was the KDF players who didn't have equal ships for PvP.

As far as the HPs, you said they were the same... I just want those who read all this to know that isn't accurate. Whatever the difference... 700 hps can men the difference between life and death, victory and loss. Kinda sound like Vin Diesel there, LOL. " It doesn't matter if you win by 700 hit points or by 36,000 hit points; winning is winning!" Sorry couldn't help myself there.

So again, really, what else do you have other than you seem unhappy with the ship you love because it has a tac ensign.
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