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# 1 C-Store Additions In General
08-08-2010, 09:06 PM
Cryptic, I know that it costs money to run an MMO, and I know that your employees need to be paid, but let's be frank about this "C-Store" business. I haven't counted it up so this is a rough guess, but let's look at the price of STO. The game costs $20 still if I'm not mistaken, it's $15 per month unless you dish out enough money to buy a brand new PS3, I'd guess that there's at least $100 worth of stuff in the C-Store, and the game's only been out for 6 months.

I wouldn't have a problem with your adding stuff that we can get by throwing even more money at you if it weren't for the fact that I'm already giving you 1/3 of what I originally paid for the game every single month and the C-Store content is at least equal to the amount of free content. There may be more C-Store content than content you give us; it sure feels like it.

I don't mean to whine or complain, but I feel a bit ripped off and like your priorities aren't quite where they should be. C-Store additions are far more frequent than free additions. The Klingons are still woefully lacking in content compared to the Federation. Team exploration missions have been bugged and impossible on the Federation side since the release of Season 2. When I last checked a couple days ago, the Fluidic Space fleet action was (at least for me) still bugged and impossible to finish. I've heard PvP is still bugged. The rare data sample accolade is still bugged since I have a fair few more than 10 different kinds but still haven't completed that. I still occasionally see bugged explore missions with NPCs and anomalies underground and unreachable. The price of Mk XI equipment is completely unreasonable. Deadlines have been pushed back and bugs ignored, yet the C-Store keeps getting more items.

It seems to me that the company's concern is money first, happy gamers second. The pricing, too, is crazy; $25 for the Galaxy-X? It's not even that powerful when you consider that the game costs less to buy than that one ship. I personally know of several people who have quit playing STO for the reasons I have just described, and I'm on the fence about it.

Cryptic, please, I'm begging you as a gamer who feels cheated and a Star Trek fan who would hate to see this game fail; reassess your priorities and make sure they're in order, because we players are starting to wonder. Races, ships, bridges, ship skins, character costumes, items; why are these more important than actual gameplay additions? I hope I'm wrong, but the only reason I can see is because they make more money for you. Give the Klingons access to more than 3 sector blocks. Give us all open PvP, in a third shard if necessary. Give us (especially the Klingons) more missions. Fix the plethora of unresolved bugs.

We're not happy. "The customer is always right." That expression has its limitations, of course, but there's a lot of truth to the meaning behind it. We bought this game hoping to get a massive Star Trek adventure. What I see is another Star Trek game that happens to have other people. The adventure of exploring enemy space is only there for moments. The excitement of powerful enemies is either not there or on steroids (difficulty imbalances). Despite being at war with the Klingon Empire, Federation ships can only engage them in what feels like nothing more than war games, not true combat. I pass planet after planet down to which I cannot beam. I pass system after system I can't enter at my leisure. If I'm attacked while near the new Romulan capital planet, I can just warp out and be as safe as if I were at Earth; no adventure or danger.

I apologize if I seem overly critical, but after six months, I'm getting a bit frustrated. I keep saying "Wait till the next update, things will get better," and the next update either brings more things I can buy from you or more bugs; rarely does it bring new content for which I don't have to pay extra or any bug fixes. I paid more for this game when it came out than a game for my Wii, and since buying it, I've paid you the equivalent of two more Wii games. Any one of those Wii games could give me more content with fewer bugs than Star Trek Online can right now, and it saddens me. I'm not trying to get myself banned. I'm not trying to offend your design and maintenance teams. I'm simply trying desperately to express my distress and hope that someone will read this and take it seriously.

I'm begging you, Cryptic; stop wringing us for every extra penny you can and give us the content our money has earned us.
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# 2
08-08-2010, 09:32 PM
truth be told hes got a point... i support this
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# 3
08-08-2010, 10:15 PM
I can't agree entirely with the OP on this one, mainly cause the c-store stuff is optional, no one says you have to pay $25 for the galaxy x, and if you feel its not worth it, don't get it.......the choice is yours. I look forward to new c-store items, I might not buy everything on there, but it's nice having it as an option. As long as the keep throwing out free content as well (a lot of free content) then they can go ahead and put c-store items up as far as I'm concerned. The only real problem i've had with the c-store has been the character only vs account items like 2 extra BOs or ships.

Now one are I think he is spot on, more content! Both sides need more, but Klingons especially so. I'd like to see a mass influx of new missions added for season 3, not just UGC (whenever that comes out). When releasing new missions, it should be at least a ratio of 3 to 1....thats 3 klingon missions for every new fed mission you add to the game. Personally I don't play klingons too much, but I know a lot of people do and a slew of new missions would go along way to the eventual release of a 3rd faction (rommies)
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# 4
08-09-2010, 02:35 AM
I'm gonna start by saying that I support this fully in every detail. This needs to be dealt with. Sure new C-store items are great, but fix the game first before adding new content. Both sides, Federation and Klingon, have so many bugs that it makes a totally different game. These patches your giving us every few days isn't helping. Sometimes I wonder if the patches just there to create the bugs and fix nothing. New players to the game are even starting to notice the endless and annoying bugs that give this game its downsides.
When you say you fix something, acually try and fix it, or better yet, try it yourselves and see if it works. Example: You say you had fixed the pvp on the last major patch. I see no difference in the pvp matchmaking. Pvp works for the lower ranks such as Lt. and Lt. Cdr. But above that pvp is pretty much broken on BOTH sides. Don't get me wrong this is a great game, but adding new stuff for people to buy is starting to be a rip off in itself. You guys add more content to the C-store, this equals more bugs to tick people off. I have an idea, try fixing this game before adding new content. I'm eager for new content myself, even free content, but with new content comes more bugs, and with those bugs it causes more bugs. So slowing down on new content relseases especially on the C-store would eradicate bugs over time, and once many of the bugs are fixed you can start adding more stuff to STO. And fixing the bugs that may arise when released. Don't just dust if over, because it'll just keep getting worse.
When this game came out the reviews weren't exactly the best out there. And they still arn't the best. The highest I've seen this game it so far is a 6.9 or so out of 10. I ignored these reviews as I thought they we all full of it. Bought that game and had a blast with friends. But now some of my friends that are getting into the game are starting to regret getting it as the countless number of bugs just make the game almost unplayable.
I hope you guys at cryptic are reading this thread. Because many players are not happy, and you may or may not know it, but this game is slowly dying. And if you don't get your act together you guys may not be in business much longer, especially as the economy is nowadays.
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# 5
08-09-2010, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by antikythera View Post
I can't agree entirely with the OP on this one, mainly cause the c-store stuff is optional, no one says you have to pay $25 for the galaxy x, and if you feel its not worth it, don't get it.......the choice is yours. I look forward to new c-store items, I might not buy everything on there, but it's nice having it as an option. As long as the keep throwing out free content as well (a lot of free content) then they can go ahead and put c-store items up as far as I'm concerned. The only real problem i've had with the c-store has been the character only vs account items like 2 extra BOs or ships.

Now one are I think he is spot on, more content! Both sides need more, but Klingons especially so. I'd like to see a mass influx of new missions added for season 3, not just UGC (whenever that comes out). When releasing new missions, it should be at least a ratio of 3 to 1....thats 3 klingon missions for every new fed mission you add to the game. Personally I don't play klingons too much, but I know a lot of people do and a slew of new missions would go along way to the eventual release of a 3rd faction (rommies)
It is indeed optional, but I believe the point is (without wishing to put words in the Admiral's mouth), that Cryptic's focus should be on fixing the still seemingly bug-riddled game and providing a workable level of new content (particularly for the Klingons) before focusing on additional purchasable content. Indeed there is perhaps a business argument for this - if players decide to leave because the game itself is buggy and lacking in content, then there are even fewer people to buy from the C-Store.
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What I hate on these forums, is when people (trolls, whatever you like to call them) do one of two things

1. Start with "I dont mean to whine or complain but..." because they always do whine and complain

2. State "We the gamers/players/subscribers are unhappy"

You dear friend, have done both. Dont put 'we' in forum posts as you have no idea what opinion I have on the matter... Im sick of having to repost the easiest and simplist responce in the world to stuff like this... if you dont like the c-store then dont use it. The devs dont put items on the store saying "BUY THEM OR WE WILL KILL A KITTEN" its there for people who want them.

The Galaxy-X debaucle would be hilarious if the joke hadnt gone on this long... you can acquire the ship for FREE, all you have to do is get five friends to subscribe to the game. Its not hard, I myself have gotten two people to play and when I hit Admiral I will be purchasing the ship - and thats MY choice, it isnt Cryptic making the choice for me (Though I think I see StormShade tying a brick to a small furry animal under my desk )

End of the day this game has never once told you, you have to do anything... the c-store is optional, I apreciate that some people feel cheated and I understand them. I personally know a few guys who have got the Galaxy X the long way round only to find it on the C-Store but come on, this happenned a while back now. The devs apologised if they upset or offended anyone and tbh I feel fine with them. No one in the MMO world works as hard as Cryptic do, as a formers Champions Online player I honestly feel they are putting all their efforts into this one game.


I dont wish this to sound like a rant... It just annoys the hell out of me when people have to put "We" into the post. Especially when I for one, do not see a problem.


Hope I've not upset you, im not looking for an argument, just my two cents :-)
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# 7
08-09-2010, 11:11 AM
Funny how everyone saying they agree so far is in his guild/fleet/whatever.

The C-store is optional. Don't want it? Don't buy it. It isn't as though they don't add things to the game for free. Just ignore the C-store if you don't like it.
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# 8
08-09-2010, 11:50 AM
While I agree that the C-Store has started to get out-of-hand, really you're blowing things way out of proportion. Pretty much everything up there is an optional item that has little in the way of game-breaking powers. If you want it, buy it. If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's as simple as that.

Yes, the amount of stuff going up for sale in such a short amount of time (half-a-year or so from launch) is pretty insane. Yes, the resources being used for these items could go to other related in-game stuff free of charge. Yes, the pricing is a mind-bending mess of random numbers being thrown at a dartboard.

Aside from the above, my only other issues were the timing of the pre-order items being put up (I fully expected them to be put up but not this soon and I expected all of them and not half-or-so) and the per-character crap for the ships, BOffs, and costume slots...with only the costume slots being changed over to account-wide.

Again...some valid points in the OP, but blown way out of proportion. If they stop listening to the dollar signs and start listening to the players things might be different...Frankly, I'm starting to get tired of these whine posts with little in the way of constructive criticism.
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# 9
08-09-2010, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Aris
Funny how everyone saying they agree so far is in his guild/fleet/whatever.

The C-store is optional. Don't want it? Don't buy it. It isn't as though they don't add things to the game for free. Just ignore the C-store if you don't like it.
Well I'm in the same fleet and I don't care about the c-store like you said you are free to take it or leave it. But I do agree with the premise that Cryptic seems to be focused on putting more things that cost money in the c-store and not fixing other issues in the game like bugs and content. This is my opinion and you can agree or disagree but the bottom line is in the number of people that are playing the game is dropping and it is due in some part to the issues outline in the post not just that items in the c-store cost money.
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# 10
08-09-2010, 01:03 PM
"It's option; take it or leave it." That doesn't mean much when just about everything added is "optional; take it or leave it." It's like my $15 subscription fee is what I pay to give me the right to buy more stuff from them; the monthly fee gets me very little new content.

As for the "you don't speak for me" comment, if I know a handful of players who more or less agree with me on that, I'm going to use a plural noun. No one would take the time to poll each and every individual STO player in the world just to make sure everyone's opinion is spoken for. I know several people with the same concerns I have; I'm expressing those opinions.
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