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# 21
09-18-2010, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ikrit122 View Post

I think the reason we don't see many tac/sci and tac/eng (though the latter is becoming more popular with the Galaxy-X and the Excelsior) is partially because of that ability, Tactical Initiative. It is only really effective in escorts, because it only affects tactical BO powers, meaning that in every fed cruiser or science ship, you can only have 2 or 3 abilities affected by it, which is kind of a waste compared to the escort's 7 abilities.

Still, tac/sci is a very interesting combo. I think I have only seen it a few times, mainly with the intrepid. I guess part of it is psychological. You expect your opponent to heal, and hit you with annoying abilities, and then SNB you the moment you pop RSP, but a tac/sci can't actually do that. Instead, they hit you hard and with annoying abilities.

I personally like the sci/tac combo. My newest character is following that route now at RA.

Ah, thanks for pointing that out. I never really paid much attention to it until your comment. Hmm. I think when I make RA on my tac/sci... I'll probably pick up photonic officer to compensate.
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# 22
10-07-2010, 12:24 PM
Nyrus is talking about ground pvp, and i think Ninjaboy's fleet is space pvping fleet, not trying to be rude.
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# 23
10-07-2010, 12:58 PM
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Tac/Sci is the highest damage combination of any ship/captain combo in the game. Ran properly, you have a beam escort with 15k shield facings and a monstrous tank at VA.

With buffs/debuffs, a tac in a sci ship can wipe off someone's shields (or at the very least, massively degrade their shield power), then add a total of up to 80% bonus damage. What it all means is that with BO2, you can routinely hit for 20-35k on crits and hi yield 1 torp crits for 18-25k. Tricobalt crits are above 45k with standard non-crit hits for 25k. I routinely get 5-8k crits on my PSW2. Now, combine this with the tac ability to reduce your cooldown timers on your BOFF skills... and you have a ship that can sling massive damage and also reuse tank skills twice as fast as anyone else. With proper engines, a sci ship is not too far behind escorts on maneuverability. With aux to dampeners, it maneuvers better.

The only down side is that you don't have subnucleonic beam. You do, however, have that nice skill that wipes a BoPs ability to battle cloak.

Now, you can do the exact same thing with an advanced escort (minus all the goody goody sci abilities). The kicker though, is that:
  • You're not an escort. You aren't usually primaried before escorts are
  • Your tank is on par with a cruiser's shield tank. You're infinitely more survivable than an escort or BoP
  • Escorts have to burn through enemy shields before they can kill something. Science ships, with proper BOFF loadouts and skill point choices, can remove an enemy's shields then blow their alpha directly into hull whenever they want
  • What the SCI ship lacks in an escort's burst potential, it makes up in crowd control/disabling that allows its already hi damage potential to supersede that of escort ships
Shhh, you're letting my secret out! I'm rolling a Tac alt specifically for this purpose. I get a decent amount of damage out of Sci/Sci, so I can only imagine that Tac/Sci would be tremendous.
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# 24
10-07-2010, 01:35 PM
Well I have only 3 ppl who I truely respect in gameplay, metagame, and understanding of play.

Edgecase, faithborn and Wrath@ardept. Alltho there are many really good pvpers out there we just abuse the skills and learn from eachother.
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# 25
10-07-2010, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Zorena
Well I have only 3 ppl who I truely respect in gameplay, metagame, and understanding of play.

Edgecase, faithborn and Wrath@ardept. Alltho there are many really good pvpers out there we just abuse the skills and learn from eachother.
-tear- awww
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# 26
10-07-2010, 02:52 PM
As much as I'd love to have my Ego stroked, I just know I'm not good enough to be considered anything beyond above average at best. But that's fine. I'd rather be above average, but willing to learn, then to be considered awesome.

Well, ok that's not 100% true. But then I have to wonder how much game time would I have to endure in order to be considered Awesome? :p
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# 27
10-07-2010, 04:19 PM
Seems more like a popularity contest than a real indication of any skill.
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# 28
10-07-2010, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Simon_Picard
Seems more like a popularity contest than a real indication of any skill.
In that case I nominate myself because everyone loves me and wants to have my babies.
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# 29
10-07-2010, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BobTheYak
In that case I nominate myself because everyone loves me and wants to have my babies.
ill take one -stands in line to order himself a keg baby-
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# 30
10-07-2010, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BobTheYak
In that case I nominate myself because everyone loves me and wants to have my babies.
I think you're on of the few I've ever even seen in game that will pug.

I'm guessing the rest of these "Best of the Best" only do premade battles.

Personally I think pugging and winning is hard to do than working with an organized team.
Pugs bring that unknow element (also know as the "I want to shoot these people for being so bad" element) which can cause you to rethink strategies and try different approaches.
Not to mention you never know what you might learn or who you might meet.
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