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# 11
09-20-2010, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mirror-Master
I'm glad its a science vessel. Cruisers have gotten more than enough love. Plus the Nebula is really a multi-role ship often used for scientific missions:
i love when peeps use this quote, it is saying that it is a role for all three... lol... just because it says science first doesnt mean its a asci ship... take a look at the next few words, i see patrol, which in my mind is tac... lol...

also, they make everything a cruiser, cause it is the most universal.. it is the most rounded and usable by all with very little disadvantages to each class... im so sick of hearing that cruisers get all the love, the way i look at it (being a tac who would like to see more escorts) its the best way to share the love....

if you look up some info on many of the starfleet ships in memory alpha it states that they are designed to do scientific studies as well as patroling and other stuff... that is why they are all cruisers lol.... so in the argument that is highlighted in red on your reply, the galaxy, the akira, the norway, the stream runner and everything should be a science vessel... lol...
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# 12
09-20-2010, 07:39 PM
The Nebula in the shows clearly functioned as all three classes depending on which pod it was fitted with and how it was outfitted.

From Memory Alpha:

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The mission profile of the Nebula-class varied from performing various scientific roles to conducting patrol and transport duties. (DS9: "Second Sight", "Explorers"; TNG: "Brothers" set artwork; TNG: "Sarek", "The Game")
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Atop the primary hull was a superstructure which could support a variety of modules, such as the inclusion of a triangular platform, fitted with torpedo launchers, an oval platform, or additional warp nacelles. (TNG: "Redemption II", "The Wounded", "Future Imperfect")
It's more clearly an escort than most of the escorts we have in game (patrol assignments, torpedo launcher pods), clearly a science vessel and clearly a cruiser... and clearly only one of these things at a time based on how the particular ship was outfitted. Of these roles, I'd say the more prominent uses would be as a science vessel but there's a strong case to be made for eventually releasing one Nebula variant of each class.
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# 13
09-20-2010, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Putnam
also, i have fun with mine, but its not practical, and when its time to play and not fool around, i have to switch... i do not have infinate respec tokens, and i do not enjoy switching ships all the time... my tac is my main character, and i cannot bring a tac in a sci ship to stf's like terradome, or ka, or even the cure (doable in the cure, but not fair to the rest of the group since we dont down things as quickly....)
Well, given that dstahl has said that only a small portion of the game's population actually does the STFs, I don't think it's a good idea to make it a cruiser simply because of that. Outside of the STFs, a tactical character in a science vessel does just fine; in fact, I like using mine more than my science main.

I won't be buying it, simply because I've never liked, nor wanted, the Nebula. However, I am glad that they may be making it a science vessel because there really is more cruisers in the game (Fed side) than any other type of vessel.
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# 14
09-20-2010, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Fractal_Eye
Well, given that dstahl has said that only a small portion of the game's population actually does the STFs, I don't think it's a good idea to make it a cruiser simply because of that. Outside of the STFs, a tactical character in a science vessel does just fine; in fact, I like using mine more than my science main.

I won't be buying it, simply because I've never liked, nor wanted, the Nebula. However, I am glad that they may be making it a science vessel because there really is more cruisers in the game (Fed side) than any other type of vessel.
i dont understand why peeps get all upset that there is a ton of cruisers, that is what starfleet bases the whole fleet off of. and i know that only a small percentage play stf's but that translates into pvp as well, tac in a sci is very situational, and you have to build not only your ship, but others to make it work... there is a severe lac of dps, and if your a tac in say a pvp match, and your not doing decent dps, than your not doing your job.... believe me i have tried it, and i am a pretty good player who has been playing since the get go... i have played with every ship that is available in game (cause i get bored and want to try different things), but i was actually looking forward to this ship, i was a huge advocate for it when they made the poll, and i am now very disapointed that cryptic once again lied and renegged on something they said... when they came out and said, "we played with the idea of it being a sci vessel, but decided it was better suited a cruiser" that to me made me feel like they made up their minds. but alas, cryptic is good at making me waste time... lol....
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# 15
09-20-2010, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Putnam
i dont understand why peeps get all upset that there is a ton of cruisers, that is what starfleet bases the whole fleet off of. and i know that only a small percentage play stf's but that translates into pvp as well, tac in a sci is very situational, and you have to build not only your ship, but others to make it work... there is a severe lac of dps, and if your a tac in say a pvp match, and your not doing decent dps, than your not doing your job.... believe me i have tried it, and i am a pretty good player who has been playing since the get go... i have played with every ship that is available in game (cause i get bored and want to try different things), but i was actually looking forward to this ship, i was a huge advocate for it when they made the poll, and i am now very disapointed that cryptic once again lied and renegged on something they said... when they came out and said, "we played with the idea of it being a sci vessel, but decided it was better suited a cruiser" that to me made me feel like they made up their minds. but alas, cryptic is good at making me waste time... lol....
I'm not upset that there are more cruisers than other ships. I simply think it's a good idea for them to add something other than a cruiser for a change.

Also, when dstahl made the 'DRAFT - The Neubla' thread, the post starts with "THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE!!! (unless you forgot what happened with the Excelsior)". That's why it's a work-in-progress.
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# 16
09-20-2010, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Putnam
... its the sci guys who are close minded and whining and complaining about every ship that comes out cause its not a sci ship...
And what was every ship that's come out again?

Doesn't seem very "close minded" that a Science Vessel captain might actually, you know, want a Science Vessel.

It does seem kind of close minded that you'd deny them one because of your personal desires when you could always pick up the Excelsior, Galaxy-X, Galaxy-R, Assault Cruiser or Star Cruiser is you want a Cruiser for your Tactical Officer, especially since the Excelsior would gel a lot better with that profession and definitely help your DPS a lot more with it's LtC Tactical Slot (and apparently according to you if "your not doing decent dps, than your not doing your job").

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Originally Posted by Putnam
except that as a tac your primary position is dps, and missing 2 weapons slots hurts alot... also, its tuffer to play with power settings
And being a Science Officer your primary position is buff/debuff, and missing all those Science Vessel BOff slots hurts a lot... also it's tougher to play with non-SV power settings.

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Originally Posted by Putnam
i dont understand why peeps get all upset that there is a ton of cruisers...
Says the guy getting upset that there won't be one more on the pile...and will "whine and cry" over it.
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# 17
09-20-2010, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Fractal_Eye
I'm not upset that there are more cruisers than other ships. I simply think it's a good idea for them to add something other than a cruiser for a change.

Also, when dstahl made the 'DRAFT - The Neubla' thread, the post starts with "THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE!!! (unless you forgot what happened with the Excelsior)". That's why it's a work-in-progress.
I still want something better looking for my ship type of choice, the star cruiser. No matter how much I play with the parts, I can't make it look good.

Oh well, maybe the next large ship class!
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# 18
09-20-2010, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Putnam
i dont understand why peeps get all upset that there is a ton of cruisers, that is what starfleet bases the whole fleet off of. and i know that only a small percentage play stf's but that translates into pvp as well, tac in a sci is very situational, and you have to build not only your ship, but others to make it work... there is a severe lac of dps, and if your a tac in say a pvp match, and your not doing decent dps, than your not doing your job.... believe me i have tried it, and i am a pretty good player who has been playing since the get go... i have played with every ship that is available in game (cause i get bored and want to try different things), but i was actually looking forward to this ship, i was a huge advocate for it when they made the poll, and i am now very disapointed that cryptic once again lied and renegged on something they said... when they came out and said, "we played with the idea of it being a sci vessel, but decided it was better suited a cruiser" that to me made me feel like they made up their minds. but alas, cryptic is good at making me waste time... lol....
Well I love cruisers myself more than any other ship but other players should also get fair treatment. What if some one just wants to fly a sci ship? More cruisers have been made than any other class and I think it is only fair to keep it even. A sci officer may be OK in a cruiser but if they want to be a pure science class they get the most benefit from the science vessel as it has more sci slots or maybe some people just like science more. They cant only think of one class or one type of ship after all. By your line or reasoning there should only be cruisers and that would be boring
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# 19
09-20-2010, 07:59 PM
Based on its size and compliment, it would make more sense as a cruiser. That and its largely based around galaxy class components, regardless of the version that your looking at.

The multi role argument does strengthen its position as a cruiser just as much as a sci vessel. It would seem to me that having a large crew and better armaments would make it better at tackling a large variety of missions then better sensors, faster turning rate, lower hull, and lower crew compliment.

The only real argument I see going for it being a sci vessel is that people want something other then cruisers as new ships and the special ability is very science-like. That is fine with me and good reasons, but from a cannon standpoint it is a cruiser.
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# 20
09-20-2010, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Fractal_Eye
I'm not upset that there are more cruisers than other ships. I simply think it's a good idea for them to add something other than a cruiser for a change.

Also, when dstahl made the 'DRAFT - The Neubla' thread, the post starts with "THIS IS ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE!!! (unless you forgot what happened with the Excelsior)". That's why it's a work-in-progress.
yes but after he made that statement, another dev stated that they had thought about making it a sci vessel, but felt that it was better suited to be a cruiser... which they were right... but apearantly, these parents will give the candy to the screaming child instead of doing what is right lol...

listen, i know you love to debate things on forums and get peeps going, but im tired, im going to bed, ill pick this back up in the am... lol.... good night all, and just remember, im sure theyll make the nx (which i dont want to see in game) into an escort just cause cryptic seems to like to do all the things i dont like hahahaha... good night..
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