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# 261
09-21-2010, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rikaelus View Post
Consoles, BOFF stations, hardpoints, etc., are all determined on a ship-by-ship basis. The class they've put the ship under is little more than conceptual guidelines; it has very little practical meaning.
NO CRUISER HAS A COMMANDER LEVEL SCIENCE OFFICER SEAT!

Nuff said yet?


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# 262
09-21-2010, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
NO CRUISER HAS A COMMANDER LEVEL SCIENCE OFFICER SEAT!

Nuff said yet?


Which has nothing to do with the "cruiser" class. Cryptic could determine at any time that they want to put a commander-level science officer seat on a ship within the cruiser class. The class itself doesn't force any hard limits or requirements.
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# 263
09-21-2010, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
Oh, I see then. So, since Cruisers are the prevalent vessel of choice for canon, all special ships made from canonical classes should be Cruisers by default. Yeah, !#%( the Science and Escort captains. Who needs them anyway.

It's about more than being canon, dude. It's about being !#%(ing fair to the players. In order to do that the devs have to bend the rules of canon. And I'm sure they would not be allowed to do so unless CBS gave it their seal of approval. So there!


guy the list you laid down, however accurate to what is in canon, is not acurate in escort, the akira is actually longer than the nebula, and is a multi platform cruiser "carrier". it is however classififed as a cruiser.
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# 264
09-21-2010, 07:16 PM
As someone who has always flown science ships all the way to T5, unless the turn rating is upped bigtime from the original speculation from CaptainGeko, this. will. be. a terrible. science. ship.

I would have preferred it as a cruiser, simply because if it's not going to have the turn rate to use so many of it's science abilities, at least it'd have the hull and weapons to make up for it.

As is, other than flying it around just cause it's the new shiny shiny, it'll be useless.
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# 265
09-21-2010, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mayamyth View Post
As someone who has always flown science ships all the way to T5, unless the turn rating is upped bigtime from the original speculation from CaptainGeko, this. will. be. a terrible. science. ship.

I would have preferred it as a cruiser, simply because if it's not going to have the turn rate to use so many of it's science abilities, at least it'd have the hull and weapons to make up for it.

As is, other than flying it around just cause it's the new shiny shiny, it'll be useless.
I couldn't agree more.

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# 266
09-21-2010, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
FYI - the designer just pinged me that there was typo in the T5 Boff seating.. (i've updated my original post)... so here's the updated T5 Specs to reflect this...

Tier 5 - Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit: Nebula Class
Weapons:
Fore: 3
Aft: 3

Boff Seating:
1 Lt Tactical
1 LC Engineering
1 En Science
1 Cm Science
1 Lt Universal

Mods:
2 Tact
3 Eng
3 Sci

3 Devices
750 Crew
7 Base Turn rate (same as Sovereign)

Utilizes Retrofit Science Vessel Skill.

Special:
Tachyon Detection Grid - Tachyon Detection Grid will increase your Starship Sensor Stat as well as your StealthSight. Tachyon Detection Grid will also increase the Starship Sensor Stat and StealthSight of all nearby allies. Those allies, in turn, can do the same for allies near them - thus, increasing the overall size of the Detection Grid. Tachyon Detection Grid is not modified by Stats or Auxiliary power.
As said here

So the turn rate is better than a galaxy, and it does not give up an Ensign slot.
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# 267
09-21-2010, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dr_Drake
As said here

So the turn rate is better than a galaxy, and it does not give up an Ensign slot.
The turn rate is still garbage for a Science ship.
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# 268
09-22-2010, 12:16 AM
Exactly. Its more than just the BO slots. The way i see it, this thing's going to have cruiser turn rates, and a larger crew to supposedly make up for it. The larger crew isnt going to make up for it.

Maybe it'll have cruiser standard hull. Or not. But it still only has.....6 weapons. Moving canon aside, something's wrong with it being a science ship as per cryptic's standard for science ships. I feel alot of pressure's being put on that uni slot too.

I do not see why the nebula cant be a star cruiser with LTC or CMDR sci slots, flown by science captains. Its stats as a science ship are neither here nor there. There's even a LTC eng slot already.Forget the conception that cruisers are a class meant for engineers or...cruiser captains, whatever. The excelsior is already an example of a non-escort ship for tactical officers.

Leave it as it is, its a reconfigured, slower DSSV, probably for the worse. Original cruiser spec, you get a tougher ship with a science focus, not as much as the normal T5 sci, but its still there.

And if the argument is just on a purely intellectual basis, there are more cruisers than science ships so it should be a science ship then....i dont understand that. Its like saying you have a problem just seeing the name 'cruiser' there.
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# 269
09-22-2010, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DLRevan View Post
Exactly. Its more than just the BO slots. The way i see it, this thing's going to have cruiser turn rates, and a larger crew to supposedly make up for it. The larger crew isnt going to make up for it.

Maybe it'll have cruiser standard hull. Or not. But it still only has.....6 weapons. Moving canon aside, something's wrong with it being a science ship as per cryptic's standard for science ships. I feel alot of pressure's being put on that uni slot too.

I do not see why the nebula cant be a star cruiser with LTC or CMDR sci slots, flown by science captains. Its stats as a science ship are neither here nor there. There's even a LTC eng slot already.Forget the conception that cruisers are a class meant for engineers or...cruiser captains, whatever. The excelsior is already an example of a non-escort ship for tactical officers.

Leave it as it is, its a reconfigured, slower DSSV, probably for the worse. Original cruiser spec, you get a tougher ship with a science focus, not as much as the normal T5 sci, but its still there.

And if the argument is just on a purely intellectual basis, there are more cruisers than science ships so it should be a science ship then....i dont understand that. Its like saying you have a problem just seeing the name 'cruiser' there.

T5 Cruiser for a Science Captain spec'ed out for top tier science skills = pointless. I like my Gravity Well 3, Tyken's Rift 3, Viral Matrix 3 and the like...so telling me to go cruiser is a no no.
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# 270
09-22-2010, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by QuanManChu
T5 Cruiser for a Science Captain spec'ed out for top tier science skills = pointless. I like my Gravity Well 3, Tyken's Rift 3, Viral Matrix 3 and the like...so telling me to go cruiser is a no no.
If thats the case, then you just wouldnt use the star cruiser nebula. If you really needed a full spec of top tier sci skills, you'd go use the dssv. The nebula is practically a worse DSSV as it is now anyway. You cant even have more than one LTC sci skill in this trashcan, it only has the CMDR sci but a LTC eng.
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