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Would species specific rank indicators be too much?

The above question is not sarcasm, it might actually be too much to ask, but I recently rolled a Nausicaan and didn't really think the KDF rank sash worked on them, especially now that we have Nausicaan uniform customizations and Nausicaan ships on their way. This is true of the Orion too.

Do you think having species specific rank flare is too much to ask of the Devs? Not right now perhaps, but maybe a few months down the road?

Given Gorn are getting a revamp and have new uniform customizations as well as a ship in the works, something like this might be nice for all of them, but also means more work.

What do you think?

If you read the Path to 2409 both the Orion and Gorn become sort of vassal entities of the Empire and appear to retain some of their own power. The Nausicaans seem to form an alliance with the KDF and are not even as closely tied to the Empire as the Gorn and the Orions. So them having their own ships, uniforms and other flare seems fitting for the setting.
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# 2
09-23-2010, 10:55 PM
Good idea, can also give is species specific title choices. Orion NPCs have a few, brute, vixen, matron etc.
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# 3
09-24-2010, 07:23 AM
Truth is, there's just not a lot of canon information about Klingon rank insignias, nevermind the others. They'd be cool to see and have, but they'd have to be invented from whole cloth (so to speak).

Me, I just want to be able to recolor the sashes.
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# 4
09-24-2010, 07:54 AM
I don't think we really need species-specific rank pins. Keep in mind that neither the Orions nor the Nausicaans have a real military. One is a mercenary force and the other is a band of pirates. If they feel a need to use ranks for cooperation with the KDF, they'd obviously use the existing KDF ranks instead of opting for something completely new.

That being said, species-specific titles would be an idea I would support.

You can already get "Raider" in the game - this should be suitable for most Nausicaans and Orions.
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# 5
09-24-2010, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Valias

You can already get "Raider" in the game - this should be suitable for most Nausicaans and Orions.
Sadly the coolest title for an Orion, "Syndicate Boss", you can only get from killing them en mass, pretty hard to do as kdf.
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# 6
09-25-2010, 09:33 PM
Maybe titles is a good work around for now. What is the raider title for? I didn't see it on any of my VA/Gen characters?

Regardless the more I think about it the more I think species specific rank would be nice eventually. While it might seem on the surface that the Orions and Nausicaans might have no need for it, I tend to disagree I believe that especially when operating in a pseudo-military manner they would have some sort of indication of where people rank and since both sides have been at war (either against the KDF previously or allied to the KDF) they are operating in more of a military manner than a organized crime or pirate manner currently. With the inclusion of their species specific ships it is less likely those ships are flying directly under the KDF.
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# 7
09-25-2010, 10:41 PM
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What is the raider title for? I didn't see it on any of my VA/Gen characters?
I think I got it from the KDF mission campaign - the raid on Utopia Planitia, iirc?

As for the ranks, actually I think only the Gorn Hegemony ever had a proper military force, and as a conquered species it is not inconceivable that they were fully integrated into the KDF (which is actually a novelty, as conquered races were not allowed to bear arms before).
As for the Nausicaans and Orions - whilst I do agree that they might adopt some sort of military hierarchy when working not only alongside, but within the KDF, I still think they'd simply use KDF-ranks. Just like the NATO has a unified rank chart as well. Everything else would only be unnecessarily complicated for both sides.
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# 8
09-25-2010, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Valias
I think I got it from the KDF mission campaign - the raid on Utopia Planitia, iirc?

As for the ranks, actually I think only the Gorn Hegemony ever had a proper military force, and as a conquered species it is not inconceivable that they were fully integrated into the KDF (which is actually a novelty, as conquered races were not allowed to bear arms before).
As for the Nausicaans and Orions - whilst I do agree that they might adopt some sort of military hierarchy when working not only alongside, but within the KDF, I still think they'd simply use KDF-ranks. Just like the NATO has a unified rank chart as well. Everything else would only be unnecessarily complicated for both sides.
Ah ok, I didn't look in the story accolades. This brings up something related though. Maybe special titles the accompany certain ranks like "Raider Captain" or "Pirate Captain" for the Nausicaans and Orions. While "Raider" is an ok title it does not reflect the position of authority that the character is in.

The Gorn don't technically end up "conquered". They become a vassal empire.
It really appears once J'mpok gets the Undine that has infiltrated the Gorn, that both parties see eye to eye. The Gorn have proven their prowess in battle and so gain the Klingon respect, and the Gorn are left realizing they were being misled by a Undine masquerader and in the wrong.

The Orion and Nausicaan the Letheans as well are all allied witht he KDF and not really absorbed into the Empire, that's part of why seeing them fly their own ships to me, even if it might include an I.K.S. banner, seems to be of their own desire. The Orions, get a new home planet for it and one can't help but wonder if they have a desire to turn a new leaf - not going straight, but maybe build something more than a syndicate, but their own little fiefdom.
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# 9
09-25-2010, 11:20 PM
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The Gorn don't technically end up "conquered". They become a vassal empire.
Hmm. The same text describes them as conquered, though, it's just hard to tell whether this refers to the military victory or their role in Klingon society. The Gorn king gets a non-voting seat in the High Council, which does hint at integration/assimilation, not partnership. The difference from standard Klingon practice is just that they appointed a Gorn as governor, not one of their own.

It's hard to say whether this means that the Gorn still have an own military or not. Actually, it's a rather interesting question, so I'd welcome more material. The way I see it, it is currently open for debate and/or personal opinion - you could easily use this to explain why Gorn characters get a KDF rank and "KDF training", as per their character sheet.

Thanks for the link, by the way - I didn't read that part yet.
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# 10
09-25-2010, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Valias
Hmm. The same text describes them as conquered, though, it's just hard to tell whether this refers to the military victory or their role in Klingon society. The Gorn king gets a non-voting seat in the High Council, which does hint at integration/assimilation, not partnership. The difference from standard Klingon practice is just that they appointed a Gorn as governor, not one of their own.

It's hard to say whether this means that the Gorn still have an own military or not. Actually, it's a rather interesting question, so I'd welcome more material. The way I see it, it is currently open for debate and/or personal opinion - you could easily use this to explain why Gorn characters get a KDF rank and "KDF training", as per their character sheet.

Thanks for the link, by the way - I didn't read that part yet.
I agree, it is very much open for personal opinion which is why I've come to really enjoy the Path to 2409 stories. Though I have to say having read them over again these past few days, the Klingons kind of come off as the heroes. and the federation comes off as sadly ill prepared and unwilling to take a stand.

I find the KDF alliances to be rather interesting because they are clearly alliances of opportunity, but also alliances of like minded species. No doubt that Nausicaans, Orions, Gorns and Klingons are all very uhappy about the idea of Undine running around meddling in their affairs. While this doesn't make Orions or Nausicaans any less unscrupulous, I do see them thinking that the Klingon solution of a disruptor in hand is better than the Federation attitude of "their just misunderstood visitors from fluidic space".
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