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# 1 BO powers ?
09-27-2010, 01:04 AM
Ok i come here cap in hand asking 2 things first thing is
What BO powers will strip your shields & vaporise your hull in the blink of an eye ?

And what can i do to prevent this from happening.

I mean its simple i get hit by one or 2 shots & my shields are gone & my hull goes pop.
this matters not if whether im in a bop, neg or assault cruiser.
And its not just happening to me my fleet has experianced this as well one even went in
against this person / people with all power to defence & same thing happened to him as
normaly would. shields drop & hull goes pop.

Even emp2s 3 does not help nor does rsp its really that fast iv tried looking at the combat logs
but cant make head nor tails of it as there is so much flashing by during the fights.
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# 2
09-27-2010, 01:08 AM
If you are flying with in 5k of a bunch of fed sci ships is it possible your getting hit with multiple Charged Partical Bursts... perhaps with a Tachyon beam or 2 thrown in? I guess the CPB effect is hard to miss.
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# 3
09-27-2010, 02:36 AM
I guess someone is targeting your shields subsystem. If 2 people target your shields at the same time, even with TS2, they will go offline. No matter how high power you are running. An eng-team will bring them back.

If the player attacking you is combining it with a salvo of Quantums at High Yield 3, and time it so they hit as soon as your shields go down, you will die. instantly.

Be ready with a Eng-team or Shields battery to get your shields back up, but know that if the timing is perfect, you don't have a chance...
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# 4
09-27-2010, 05:00 PM
Beam overload to rip down the shields, high yield 3 to blitz the hull, with all the usually Tactical buffs and debuffs of course.

Ive taken out cruiser's in less than 2 seconds doing this.
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# 5
09-27-2010, 05:14 PM
Well, I know the probable answer, but theres quite a few different methods to actually do what your describing.

Your cruisers may want to start carrying ET3 now.
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# 6
09-27-2010, 08:05 PM
I think there are some cheats going on when it relates to this type of thing.
I've noticed instances where my shields are toast with one beam hit and my hull with another.

You recognize the heavier beam graphic on an overload shot and obviously notice torps. But I've been one shot killed with neither.
Maybe we need to re-read the post on taking video of fights and try to expose the possible cheaters amongst us.
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# 7
09-27-2010, 08:36 PM
Some of my preferred methods of this would be:

CPB 3 (Charged Particle Burst) - removes about 5,200 shields +/- 300 depending on your equipment/skill points

Beam Overload
(used with Dual Beam Banks)

Tractor Beam

Target Subsystems SHields (Used for dropping opponents Shield Power Level)

Tyken's Rift (Used for dropping opponents Power Levels, and stacks with TS:S)

Tri-cobalt Torpedo (for use on the nicely exposed hull of you opponent)



Now that's just me flying solo. If I have an escort with me it's a who other story, as I'll just use the CPB 3 and Tach Beam 3 to take out your shields, and if you happen to hit RSP I'll just strip that with a SNB.


Science is still needs a little work IMO, as even if you survive 1 SNB, another Sci player can SNB you again, and you're even more screwed. My fix would be to add a buff to the player who was SNBd so they couldn't be hit by a 2nd SNB within say 20-30 seconds....but really that's a whole other matter.


In the end, it all depends on how many opponents you're fighting. Even on my Tactical toon I can take out a majority of players before they have time to hit their RSP, and most of the time it's too late anyhow, as it's just a HY 3 torp volley coming at them which RSP does nothing to stop.



In Summary, your top 3 worst enemies in a PvP match:

Beam Overload
Charged Particle Burst
Subnucleonic Beam
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# 8
09-28-2010, 12:57 AM
yep i think i will start using fraps because all of those things mentioned you see the icons
when there used against you, what i am on about you dont see anything.
one time yes iv seen cpb all the rest of the time all iv seen is disruptor breach.
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# 9
09-28-2010, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BBzMadDog View Post
yep i think i will start using fraps because all of those things mentioned you see the icons
when there used against you, what i am on about you dont see anything.
one time yes iv seen cpb all the rest of the time all iv seen is disruptor breach.
If they blow you up instantly, isnt it possible you simply dont have time to see the icons - 2 Guys, one putting a fully auxed scan on you as well as a BTSS3 - The other Alpha3, Beta3, GDF, FOMM and the works on a BOL3?

This is something we are going to try very soon in LFs all Defiant Refit team - Just need to have a 2nd person roll a Sci toon for it ;D

Ive critted for like 90k damage with a GDF boosted BOL3 blast - Kinda fun when it oneshots a cruiser through his green diaper
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# 10
09-28-2010, 09:00 AM
http://sourceforge.net/projects/stocombat/

Perhaps keep the combat log the next time you do battle as well. Could help identify where or whom the damage is coming from.
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