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# 31
10-13-2010, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
, they are forcing people to PvP for the rewards so they can keep the PvP people happy. I find this amoral. The best PvP matches would be against fellow PvP affectionadoes, but cryptic just wants to keep those ques full of cannon fodder to feed the PvP'rs.
That would be a good name for your ship Thlaylie, the USS Cannonfodder
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# 32
10-13-2010, 02:14 PM
It's been suggested before.

I fly a TER and with Cryptic's nerf of shields to make their favorite ships the cruisers have a better chance in game forcing escort pilots to pay the same for half the shields it is an accurate descriptor. I am happy if I can bring down a shield for the rest of the PUG to destroy an enemy ship.

This game could be so much more however.
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# 33
10-13-2010, 03:42 PM
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Duh Luz i a nul.

I manly fly a Fed and noticed how much better the Klingon ships were handling, so

I made a klingon Alt.

I was right.

Not only is a Klingon BoP superior to anything Fed, it comes with "Universal BO Slots!" and is fully maxed out at the time you get it. You also get 3 BO's right off the bat. so

Yah, Klingon ships ARE superior, regardless of the delusions most Klingons have.

Why was I not deluded?
No one on these forums is talking about LT. CMDR level. As was pointed out klinks start at level 5 after they have played a FED toon till level 5 min. You can't make sweeping statements about a ship based on comaring the Tier 1 versions. Yes the BOP at all levels is the most manuvarble ship... but not by much at tier 5 and you know it... oh wait perhaps you didn't fully level that klink too did you?
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# 34
10-13-2010, 04:06 PM
"But not by much"

The most telling part of that statement.

Exactly how much more do you need to stay inside the Fed's best turning circle and thus continue rear bashing it to death?

Cryptic's BIGGEST mistake is not leveling the faction ships. Give the Klingons that extra hull for their BoPs I always see them asking for on these forums and give at least the TER's BoP maneuverabilty and everyone benefits...

EXCEPT, you will always have some idiot post soon after this one how that would be boring to have ships that are as good as his then he couldn't bully them from behind the anonymity of his computer without getting his @ss kicked like in RL. Of course they won't post it that elequently, but you get the just.
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# 35
10-13-2010, 04:10 PM
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In other words, they are forcing people to PvP for the rewards so they can keep the PvP people happy. I find this amoral. The best PvP matches would be against fellow PvP affectionadoes, but cryptic just wants to keep those ques full of cannon fodder to feed the PvP'rs.
This is very very untrue Thlaylie. Cryptic is offering reward for all play styles not a reward for someone to play every play style. :/

Let me break this down for you in a way you will understand.....

[ Begin Story ]

Trekorama is a lovely community in this community no one cooks themselves food... instead everyone pays a bit of coin each month to have access to the 3 main restaurants in town, they can eat all they want any time of day they want. As a bonus the town gives out a prize to each community member that eats an "average" portion from any of the three restaurants.

Restaurant 1 (PvP) Offers some spicy food with bold flavors and they have nice big open tables... people can talk to each other at the tables or not. People don't order off a menu in this restaurant the chef whips up a special every time and sometimes its subtle flavor and sometimes its damn hot.
This restaurant is LOVED by a small handful of people that enjoy the spice and atmosphere; they come with their friends sit at there fav table and enjoy some company.. and there are others that really hate this joint, they don't want to sit with random people, they don't want to have there meal chosen for them.

Restaurant 2 (PvE) Offers a more traditional plate of food. Burgers Fires Salads... here you order what you want sit at a table or in a booth its really your choice. Everyone likes this place... some only eat here. Some stop by now and then.

Restaurant 3 (Group PvE ie STF Fleet actions) This restaurant is the world restaurant. They have more exotic and challenging flavors, most people come here with a group of people they know.

Now here’s the thing in this nice place called Trektopia... you can eat at all 3 every day if you have the time. You can collect a prize at each one if you like. Or you can go to the place you like most and still get a prize just like the people that go to the other places.

Now ever once in awhile theirs someone in Trektopia that decides they pay there dues each month and they MUST have every Prize there allowed; every day. So they go to EACH restaurant. They go to restaurant one even though they can't stand the flavors... they force themselves through ALL 3 courses and they sweet and complain the whole time. Everyone else at the open tables in Restaurant one has to suffer through the town IDIOT that insists that he must have what is DUE him (They pay their Dues remember) Some of the people in the place that really like the spice will poke fun while they sweet and complain. Others simply wonder why the heck they came in.

[END Story]

Now Thlaylie I think you know where you fit in in that story. The emblem rewards are not added to PvP so people that HATE PvP can go and punish themselves. There there so those of us that ONLY like to eat at restaurant one (PvP) get our little reward too. You are always welcome at restaurant one Thlaylie the community is open and welcoming... however if you don't want to be there.... if you are going to waste your food... if you are going to complain about the company. Well there are 2 other restaurants in town.

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# 36
10-13-2010, 04:18 PM
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"But not by much"

The most telling part of that statement.

Exactly how much more do you need to stay inside the Fed's best turning circle and thus continue rear bashing it to death?

Cryptic's BIGGEST mistake is not leveling the faction ships. Give the Klingons that extra hull for their BoPs I always see them asking for on these forums and give at least the TER's BoP maneuverabilty and everyone benefits...

EXCEPT, you will always have some idiot post soon after this one how that would be boring to have ships that are as good as his then he couldn't bully them from behind the anonymity of his computer without getting his @ss kicked like in RL. Of course they won't post it that elequently, but you get the just.
Your kidding right.... EVERY ship in the game has a diffrent base turn rate.

Bop has the best by a small margin... Yes
It has the Smallest HULL
It has the Snallest Shield
It has the least officer slots (Yes there uni... however the feds have a ship for almost any combo lol)

BOP Break down

PROS
Battle Cloak (Updated regular cloak... can cloak in battle... can be a negative if you don't know what your doing you WILL die trying to cloak)
Turn Radius (Has a better turn then the escort class... by tier 5 the margin is small)
Uni Slots (You can slot any combo of officer types)

CONS
HULL (Base hull in the 24k range MAX spec 28k... by far the least hull of any ship in game; one Beam overload... one High Yield a couple good crits and your done)
Shield (Lowest shield numbers in game)
Number of BOFF Slots (has one less ability)
Jack of All trades (BOPS do NOT have the firepower of the escort classes; the survivability of the cruisers... or the sci power of a fed sci ship; a little bit of everything not the best at any of them)

That sums it up Thlaylie the bop is a finesse ship... it can be very good sure. It can also be very bad. I know plenty of BOP drivers that are VERY VERY squishy. Yes there are others that will rock the bop and they enjoy doing it... really though hate to break it to you those players rock there fed and klink escorts too.
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# 37
10-13-2010, 04:18 PM
Sooo

How do i get my free Emblems without PvPing as cryptic says I need them to purchase equipment?

I CAN get Emblems from other sources, but they are charging 105 Emblems for some equipment so every Emblem counts.

So no need to create a fictitious environment where your opinions reign supreme:

Just pull rewards from PvP and only the people who like PvP will be there, very very simple.

Currently if you want to keep up with your equipment you HAVE to PvP, or miss out on 3 Emblems a day. Adds up after awhile:

3 per day
21 per week
90 per month (that's 3 new weapons!!!)
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# 38
10-13-2010, 04:21 PM
How exactly does the BoP compare to the TER?

It seems to out maneuver.

It's a bit squishy, but with Battle Cloak you can pretty much run and let your buddies dogpile for awhile until you heal.

TER cloak is a joke!

Don't even get me started on the forumm QQ'rs nerf of the commander slot in the TER compared to UNIVERSAL BO SLOTS.
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# 39
10-13-2010, 04:38 PM
You make battle cloak sound like it is the end all beat all power out there. Did you ever see what happens to a BoP that battle cloaks when a torpedo is after its a**?
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# 40
10-13-2010, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintAdalberto
Hello,

...snip...

CONCLUSION: At the moment, I consider STO more fun, welcoming and less complex (sometimes to its own detriment) and Eve Online less fun, welcoming, but more complex (sometimes to its own detriment.)
Excellent assessment there, Adalberto.


(and please quit derailing this poor guys thread, Thlaylie)
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