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# 11
10-16-2010, 04:53 PM
No puzzles.
Space auto fire battle.
Ground space station very short battle.

ITs nothing special at all.

But im worried these new devidians are the ones thats causing so many players to crash...... i hope not.
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# 12
10-17-2010, 12:09 PM
I wonder if some people (at Cryptic) are confusing Section 31 with Starfleet's Intelligence Service. Starfleet is most likely to have a regular intelligence service (I think O'Brien worked for them once in an ivnestigation regarding the Orion syndicate, and they seem to be occassionally mentioned in other episodes). Section 31 is a secret organization, not a secret service. It's a conspiracy, it's something illegal and not officially acknowledged or publically known, unlike an intelligence service should be.
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# 13
10-17-2010, 02:59 PM
I think having Section 31 as part of this is fine! Section 31 is a secret group that work undercover to protect the Federation from any and all threats. Though I do think Starfleet Intelligence might be a better point we have yet to see exactly what S31's role in this series is. We don't know what they want or what they are planning, so until the series ends, I'm not going to complain. And besides, we asked for Section 31, and they are giving us freakin' Section 31, maybe not the BEST tie-in but better than nothing.

Overall, great mission, the Ground Combat actually was nice, the space was cool, and the environment was fantastic.
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# 14
10-18-2010, 12:10 AM
Look at theepisode reward. It suggests we will be getting Experimental tech for ground/space.... and as for confusing 31 with Starfleet intelligence I dont think thats the case either. Its more likely Drake knows about the Comet and the temporal anomoly it is causing/caused/will cause (time travel hurts my head lol)

Drake said in his episode in the holodeck he is helping fight the war against the klingons. Of course he wont explain why he's there... why should he? Its sad a couple of players are dissapointed but I personally find it pathetic people wont play a mission based on who gives it. The mission text much like the "Priority One Alert" changes depending on the circumstances, if you chose not to help Drake before he is very blunt, straight the point and very antagonistic toward you. I wouldnt be suprised if we end up having the fight 31 at some point during the series but as this is only the series premiere then we will all just have to see how it plays out


---oh, and btw, how do I work this device? Does it automatically work or what?---
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# 15
10-18-2010, 10:33 AM
Now lets see Section 31 has always been shown to know much more about what is going on thean they let people know. True in game and TV episodes.
This being said, why are people complaining about not knowing why they are involved with the Davidian series?
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# 16 Speculate, please
10-18-2010, 10:57 AM
Okay, it's Section 31. Accept it.

But pleeeaaase: Speculate about stoy & rewards!

I have no real idea what could be the final series reward? 23rd century phaser (seen on a picture)?
You are Trekkies and Trekkers - a creative bunch, I'd think - so guess, wonder, speculate. I really would love to hear your thoughts concerning the missions rewards and the series rewards.

Thanks
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# 17
10-18-2010, 11:49 AM
I loved every aspect of the mission. From beginning to end it reminded me of when I was a kid watching the original series on TV. The whole interaction was fantastic as was the layout.. I can't wait to see what happens next, just like the original series which only played once a week. I felt like I was a part of the original TV show and kept asking myself "what would Kirk do?"

And someone asked if the device works, yes it does.
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# 18
10-18-2010, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pdidy View Post
I think having Section 31 as part of this is fine! Section 31 is a secret group that work undercover to protect the Federation from any and all threats..
Not quite.

Section 31 is an illegal, immoral organization that works outside the boundaries of Starfleet regulations and Federation ideals to 'protect' the Federation from what it considers threats. At no point in the run of DS9 or Enterprise (the two shows where Section 31 showed up) did anything Section 31 did ever help -- it simply accelerated things or made things worse, over and over again.

It condones methodologies the Federation has publicly eschewed as abhorrent. It supports clandestine genocide in the name of a false sense of security. It takes short cuts because it believes the ends justify the means. As they said in Enterprise, they took a regulation in the Starfleet Charter to allow for the temporary, limited expansion of powers in times of overwhelming threat as carte blanche to do what they want, when they want with absolutely no oversight from civilian, governmental or Starfleet superiors, because "there are always threats."

They are not MI6, they are SMERSH. They are not GI Joe, they are Cobra.

They are the opposite of what the Federation stands for, claiming to preserve the space while ignoring the philosophies that make it meaningful.

When we take direction from Drake or work with him in the context of any mission, there should always be an overwhelming question in the background -- "is what we are doing worth the price we are paying? Is our security worth the loss of our morality? Is it better to live at all costs or die with our honor?" Section 31 always always always lives in a grey area.

There is a role for Section 31 in STO -- I think the two earlier Drake episodes are great -- they capture the feel of the organization perfectly, in my opinion. The fact that we have a choice in the later Drake mission -- that we can play it out depending on our own anwers to those questions -- is completely amazing. I am not, in any way opposed to the inclusion of Section 31 in Star Trek Online.

However, the face of Section 31 spontaneously showing up and giving us military orders in a war zone breaks that. We don't have a good reason to follow Drake's orders -- he's not in the line of command of the war effort, and we're not given a dramatic context that justifies his inclusion. As a result, his presence is glaring and ultimately comes across as unnecessary in the most significant episode for setting the tone of the second weekly series -- the first episode.

If this is meant to be a Section 31 morally ambiguous mission tree, where we're going along with Drtake because circumstances require it, there needs to be much, much better setup for it. Just having him show up and use us as a resource to promote his agenda implies our collusion with it, and that invalidates the second Drake episode in the game and our ability to make the core moral choices that come from Section 31 in Star Trek and STO.

Remember, Section 31 is an organization that decided it was all right to completely destroy an entire sentient race -- before the Dominion War, I would add -- and kill an ally of the Federation in the process, because they saw that race as a potential threat. This is the moral equivalent of deciding it's okay to destroy Moscow and kill not only the government and military leaders there but also every civilian who lives there, slaughtering millions, because one day they might attack your country.

Or London.

Or Washington D.C.

That's who we're talking about when we're talking Section 31. And that's whyt a solid story-based reason for their presence is vital, or else it casts a very dark pall over everything that happens in the story.
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# 19
10-18-2010, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Doblinian View Post
Okay, it's Section 31. Accept it.
No.

Quote:
But pleeeaaase: Speculate about stoy & rewards!

I have no real idea what could be the final series reward? 23rd century phaser (seen on a picture)?
You are Trekkies and Trekkers - a creative bunch, I'd think - so guess, wonder, speculate. I really would love to hear your thoughts concerning the missions rewards and the series rewards.

Thanks
Oh man, that is a darn good question. If the True Way continues to be a major part of the storyline, I hope that would turn into a Cardassian bridge officer candidate somewhere down the line. I would seriously love that (as you may guess from my Avatar). We know that there's apparently going to be 'proton' based weapon class, so I have to imagine there will be some proton weapons as rewards, too.

Which is really convenient, because if we get 'proton torpedoes,' that will let us blow up the Death Star.
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# 20
10-19-2010, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tryulis View Post
Look at theepisode reward. It suggests we will be getting Experimental tech for ground/space.... and as for confusing 31 with Starfleet intelligence I dont think thats the case either. Its more likely Drake knows about the Comet and the temporal anomoly it is causing/caused/will cause (time travel hurts my head lol)

Drake said in his episode in the holodeck he is helping fight the war against the klingons. Of course he wont explain why he's there... why should he? Its sad a couple of players are dissapointed but I personally find it pathetic people wont play a mission based on who gives it. The mission text much like the "Priority One Alert" changes depending on the circumstances, if you chose not to help Drake before he is very blunt, straight the point and very antagonistic toward you. I wouldnt be suprised if we end up having the fight 31 at some point during the series but as this is only the series premiere then we will all just have to see how it plays out


---oh, and btw, how do I work this device? Does it automatically work or what?---
Speaking of the reward, it is pretty useless. I tried it on a daily for Emblems and it had no effect on a Romulan Warbird. What the heck is it used for?
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