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# 11
10-13-2010, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One View Post
There is currency in the Federation. You think all those enlisted and officers work for free and then all get shiny new homes and cars when they retire just because? You think Picard gives away his bottles of wine? You think Pops Sisko gives away the food at his restaurant for free?

The goal of the 25th century isn't to make money but that doesn't mean people don't.

And here you'd be quite wrong:
Star Trek Economics for dummies

(yes it's not a wiki, but gues what they are also just sites with information posted by other people. so it's the same darn thing people. Wikis are NOT official either.)

Basically this explains that the Federation doesn't use money anymore. Shiny homes? You can replicate shiny homes, because everyone has the same darn thing!
Picard and Sisko did give their food/wine away for free. The point of Federation 'economics' is simply to better ones self. There's no more capatalism, since all the basic needs for anyone can be replicated by Fussion (not fission) powered devices. Nothing has a 'cost' anymore, only a personal value.

Credits are simply a way for the Federation to make trades with less...shall we say, advanced societies that still put a monetary value on items.
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# 12
10-13-2010, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chat
*dumps a copy of "Rules of Acquisition" on your toes*
Number 16: A deal is a deal. :p

See it like this... You exchanged a vast sum of GPL for an equal sum of GPL to show off to people.
(not really working but eh...)
Oh and rule 59: Free advice is seldom cheap.
That will be 6 bars of GPL plz.
Just funny in order to display that pile of Latinum you earned, you had to spend it. Typical Ferengi overcharge. :p

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Originally Posted by Foxrocks
They are trophies, and described as such, so what did you even expect? Honestly? They are there to spruce up your mess hall or ready room, just like every other trophy, so I see no issue here.
Not exactly worth 500,000 if you ask me. Especially if you been grinding at the Dabo wheel for months to work up that much.

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what else are you going to do with that latinum
Buy a moon?
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# 13
10-13-2010, 01:17 PM
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And here you'd be quite wrong:
Star Trek Economics for dummies

(yes it's not a wiki, but gues what they are also just sites with information posted by other people. so it's the same darn thing people. Wikis are NOT official either.)

Basically this explains that the Federation doesn't use money anymore. Shiny homes? You can replicate shiny homes, because everyone has the same darn thing!
Picard and Sisko did give their food/wine away for free. The point of Federation 'economics' is simply to better ones self. There's no more capatalism, since all the basic needs for anyone can be replicated by Fussion (not fission) powered devices. Nothing has a 'cost' anymore, only a personal value.

Credits are simply a way for the Federation to make trades with less...shall we say, advanced societies that still put a monetary value on items.
So your argument is predicated on a non-canon piece of work that starts out with "unofficial" in it's title? Really? Good luck with that theory.
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# 14
10-13-2010, 02:46 PM
It does seem to me a couple times in the shows or movies they mentioned that they don't have a use for money. In the one TNG episode where they find a bunch of 20th century people who had been frozen until science could heal them, one of them was a business man and Picard told him that the Federation had outgrown the need for money.

Here's a series of quotes from Memory Alpha. Which I know isn't canon, but the quotes are from the shows/movies.

* When Lily Sloane asked how much the USS Enterprise-E cost to build, Picard tells her "The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century... The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity." (Star Trek: First Contact)

* When Nog suggests that Jake should bid for a baseball card in an auction, Jake says "I'm Human, I don't have any money." Nog replies "It's not my fault that your species decided to abandon currency-based economics in favor of some philosophy of self-enhancement." Jake says "Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity." Nog then replies "What does that mean?" Jake responds "It means we don't need money!" Nog quickly points out, however, that Jake wouldn't be able to bid or borrow. (DS9: "In the Cards")

* Jake: (big smile) "I sold my first book today." Quark: "Really? How much did you get for it?" Jake: "It's just a figure of speech. The Federation News Service is going to publish a book of my stories about life on the station under Dominion rule." Jake then confirmed Quark's suspicion that he was not paid. (DS9: "You Are Cordially Invited")

* Tom Paris says about the significance of Fort Knox: "When the New World Economy took shape in the late 22nd century and money went the way of the dinosaur, Fort Knox was turned into a museum." (VOY: "Dark Frontier")

So it seems that most members of the Federation don't actually have any form of currency, and any currency is mostly used when dealing with other governments.
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# 15
10-13-2010, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Solarfox
It does seem to me a couple times in the shows or movies they mentioned that they don't have a use for money. In the one TNG episode where they find a bunch of 20th century people who had been frozen until science could heal them, one of them was a business man and Picard told him that the Federation had outgrown the need for money.
The series has always been inconsistent and it always depended upon which writer did the script. For example, in the very first episode of TNG Crusher tells the merchant at Farpoint station to bill her account on the Enterprise. There are other such instances as well. Star Trek is full of continuity which contradicts itself. It's just the way it is.

Certain writers wanted to take a more Socialist view, and I have no problem with that, but it doesn't work across the Federation. Does Lwaxana Troi's man-servant work for free because Betazed is part of the Federation? Do the dressmakers who make her clothes? How do all those officers and people in Quark's bar pay for drinks, and where'd they get the GPL to gamble with? It's not all as clear as a few writers wanted to make it.
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# 16
10-13-2010, 03:58 PM
I'll echo the same disappointment as Azurian. When I heard about trophies, I expected something interesting. Having access to multiple piles of gold ingots that are blatantly moneysinks had my mood - at the time - turn very sour.

No, I did not buy them. I like earning new accolades, but this was ridiculous. I would have to be much much more obscenely rich before I even went to spend such enormous amounts of GPL... and I had plenty of prototype consoles on hand. It's like saying that I traded by nice science consoles for cruddy piles of gold. Bleh!
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# 17
10-13-2010, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Meridian113 View Post
Is this United Federation of Planets or Ferengi Alliance?
Pay for everything.
List time i checked there was no curency in Federation so all this is stupid.
And lower price on T5 retrofits.
500 emblems is way to much.
Give us back Federation not Ferengi
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Originally Posted by Ronald D. Moore
By the time I joined TNG, Gene had decreed that money most emphatically did NOT exist in the Federation, nor did 'credits' and that was that. Personally, I've always felt this was a bunch of hooey, but it was one of the rules and that's that.
I agree. a bunch of hooey. the Farpoint "charge it to the Enterprise" is even funnier when you read this quote. Oopsy.
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# 18
10-13-2010, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Just funny in order to display that pile of Latinum you earned, you had to spend it. Typical Ferengi overcharge. :p
Well it's my explanation for it. Sounds better in my head.
The actual cost is for the erm... podium?

Rule 102: Nature decays, but latinum lasts forever.
The storage for the GPL is very costly. You have payed in advance, yes?
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# 19
10-14-2010, 02:46 AM
Well, thanks to this thread i realised that there's now something a heck of a lot better to buy for GPL than 15 minute holo-emitters. I'm happy with my 500,000 GPL pile, heck i just wish i could buy 1,000,000 or 10,000,000 or even 100,000,000 piles. I could then recreate shenanigans like these!
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# 20
10-14-2010, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Buy a moon?
I see what you did there. :p

Now that would be cool. I would definately buy one.
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