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# 1 PvP unbalanced
10-17-2010, 02:30 PM
OK before i start i want to say i have a kling character which i started at the beginning of the game and a fed character which i devloped after i got the char to RA.

When it comes to PvP i fly a bop as a sci officer, and an intrepid as a fed sci officer, both have the same sort of skills. now i play mainly pvp with both characters, the kling more or less 95% of the time is on the winning team and very rarely dies and doe a lot of dam as well as appllying all the sci buffs, usaully i join a team which on the whole behaves no differently than a fed team. My fed character is usaully 95% on the losing side the fed teams play no differently than the kling teams i play on, so when klings say feds dont play as a team its nonsense.

The fact is when it comes to PvP the klings have all the advantage, sure the defaint is a tough ship but it can be easily beaten once you tractord it! the BOP which i fly can cloak and run and come back when you happen to have targeted another ship and screw you up, it has 4 universal slots which with its agility and battle cloak make it the best allround ship in the game!

Now you have the Kling carriers which just spam even more dangerous fighters than before ( i flew the one before its upgrade rarely died in it!) and they attack outside the range of the 10k from thier mothership!
Now you got 3 fed ships attacking a carrier he lauanches his rapid fire fighters hits photonic fleet and spams his heals, sure we killed him but while 3 out of the 5 fedships were occupied the other 4 klings were capping points and shoewd up after it took us like 2 mins to kill him. O and of course there were 2 more carries and spamed even more fighters i couldnt see the mother ship through the cloud of fighters! so yer i hit them with scramble sensors just before a bop appered unnoticed amongst the cloud of foghters!

Here is my point klings will say learn to PvP rubbish if you are that good take 5 klink players put em in fed ships against fed players and i bet the outcome is a lot closer thats if they win which i would question! like i said i play both so i am totally un-bias

The klinks can move thier ships stealthly, there carriers which can't can usaully last untill help arrives! and you dont see them coming Kling sci ships do a lot more dam than fed sci ships.

Cryptic this is not a contest this is a turkey shoot for the klingon empire! if this was real kirk would have been a leg end and not a legend, the klingon empire would be masters of the Universe.

No matter how many new ships the fed get they are no match against bop & carriers not to mention BCwith cloak.

And before all you klings come on and say this is rubbish how many of you have won more in a fed ship than a kling ship? one guy said to me he only flys a bop because they have limited ships, well guess what if they bring more ships for the kdf bops plyers will stay in thier bops! its a no brainer
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# 2
10-17-2010, 02:55 PM
You are comparing apples to oranges. Both are different but good in their own ways. My experience is somewhat similar in so much as I win more when I fly Klink than when I fly Fed. That being said, I don't think that's because of a mechanical imbalance, rather, it's more to do with player mentality. The supposed imbalance you see could be a result of any number of things.

The most obvious difference is that the Klink population is a relatively small PvP centric group. You can PuG as a Klink and almost rest assured you are going to be flying with someone you've flown with repeatedly before. The Fed population is significantly larger and overall much less involved with PvP. More often than not, you are going to see Fed "teams" closed to invites or afk farming emblems. That's rarely a problem one runs into on the Klink side barring the usual exception being Feds and their alts. This leads to one side,even in PuGs being more likely to work better together than the other.

This is, in my opinion, why Klinks can appear so overpowered to some people. This is also why even a decent Fed semi-premade can consistently turn the tables on nearly any alpha from Klinks. Look at Santa Clause (Aytanhi) and K'eg (T'lol). From GoD to TSI they cleaned up for both factions. I'm strictly middle of the road material as a Klink and as a Fed but put me in with some decent people and I can look significantly better than reality would have it. Player skill and dedication is a huge factor in whether or not someone is successful, but it helps when the people you fly with are willing to risk lending a hand.
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# 3
10-17-2010, 03:02 PM
/signed what SteveHale said.
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# 4
10-17-2010, 03:26 PM
Sorry steve, i dissagree i very rarely jion a kling team thatactaullys issues any order or tactics just plyed one now as a kling every one seemed to go thier own way we won easily! and guess what where as before the majority of ships were bops (and we still won !) now most klinks are using carriers, and once more thier fighter attack you out of the carriers range! i was20km in a fed ship from them tryin to heal and they chased me and kept firing so it was difficult to heal to 100% meanwhile some time after i got away and fighters stayed on me guess what BOP decloaks knowing he has the support of the fighters whose mother ship is 20km away come on man, its not mentallity its just plain simple the klings have an advantage, i dont want play as a kling knowing that the chances of winning are like 95% no matter who is on my team! and as a fed knowing that no matter how good we are we will lose. For feds to win they have to be a very well drilled team who have a plan, and excute it to perfection, for kling to win you just show up in a kling ship and count that its hard for for the feds to excute any well drilled plan.
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# 5
10-17-2010, 03:32 PM
I can prove that this is the case take 5 kling players put them in fed ships and lets see how they fair against other klinks, this is done secretetly so that the other klings dont throw it for the sake of self preservation in terms of possible nerfs, i bet we would still lose 95% of the matches, and if klings are unwilling to do this then that tells its own strory, so all you klinks with fed RA join me in an experiment if you dare!
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# 6
10-17-2010, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pell View Post
I can prove that this is the case take 5 kling players put them in fed ships and lets see how they fair against other klinks, this is done secretetly so that the other klings dont throw it for the sake of self preservation in terms of possible nerfs, i bet we would still lose 95% of the matches, and if klings are unwilling to do this then that tells its own strory, so all you klinks with fed RA join me in an experiment if you dare!
Been there, done that (more than once). Feds wiped the floor with the Klingons every time. Anything else, bubbles?
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# 7
10-17-2010, 04:19 PM
I have lost as klinks plenty of times. IF! And that is a mighty big if, there, Feds know what they're doing, and have 2-3 cruisers who know what to do, along with a single escort and science ship, they can mop the everliving daylights out of a klink squadron. I've seen it mroe times than I care to document.
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# 8
10-17-2010, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BobTheYak
Been there, done that (more than once). Feds wiped the floor with the Klingons every time. Anything else, bubbles?
Listen to the wise yak. experience is everything in pvp. When i play fed side with my buddies( we play klingons 95% of the time), we destroy klingon pugs just as easily as we can destroy fed pugs. If you fly with friends who pvp 4+ hours a day, you're going to beat someone who's just there for the emblems. its like playing a pickup basketball game, you & 4 random people against 5 NBA stars, who's going to win?
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# 9
10-17-2010, 04:52 PM
Well if the feds knew how to actually communicate and team up, maybe they would win more.
I am a fed player who hates the lack of communication and teamwork, but also tried and can not fly klink ships.

The issue us that too many feds block team invites, or think that because they can wipe the floor with the Beren on normal difficulty solo- they have PvP in the bag.

No balance problems with teamwork and talking smack. It makes me laugh when i(the escort) can provoke klink attention while in the middle of 3 cruisers and go pop in 4 seconds because none of the cruisers can be bothered to heal me.
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# 10
10-17-2010, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by amidoinitright View Post
Listen to the wise yak. experience is everything in pvp. When i play fed side with my buddies( we play klingons 95% of the time), we destroy klingon pugs just as easily as we can destroy fed pugs. If you fly with friends who pvp 4+ hours a day, you're going to beat someone who's just there for the emblems. its like playing a pickup basketball game, you & 4 random people against 5 NBA stars, who's going to win?
I don't see what that has to do with ship imbalance.

Anyway, if it's just me and four random pugs on Fed side we still manage to annihilate the Klingons - including you, on occasion. I must be Michael ****ing Jordan then, huh?
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