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# 11
10-15-2010, 08:17 AM
They could simply eliminate cross faction chat in pvp matches. Then folks would have to go to the forums to bad mouth each other.

I'm not actually advocating that though. I'd prefer just to /ignore the biggest offenders cough *whitehorse* cough.
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# 12
10-15-2010, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ISS Voyager
Greetings

Id like to bring up a sensitive subject that I believe is necessary to improving STO, and that's the bad attitude many players exhibit in PvP.
Firstly, let me say this: I am not bringing this up to complain about game balance, bridge powers, load-out, nerfing, or any game mechanic; this has nothing to do with winning or losing. Both Fed and Kling players are guilty of totally horrible gloating and mean-spirited chats when they win.

It doesn't matter how a game goes; 1 player defeating 5 others over and over again does not give them justification to spew terrible insults and degradations through the chat zone. Additionally, a player who loses does not have the right to chat mean things back at the other team. Such things aren't responsible, they aren't positive, and they turn a game into a bullying-field. I was shocked to hear (read) some of the things that players have typed as they "gloated." I was embarrassed to be playing the same game as them. If a player gets blown up in 10 seconds, he/she doesn't need to be told that he isn't as good as the others. Degradation only drives such new/casual players away. Imaginary space ships blowing up is not the same as a human being telling you that you are stupid/suck/ineffective/etc.

I think the game, the community, and every other PvP faucet of STO will improve massively if players simply stop being bullies.


I'm sure somebody here - perhaps even all of you = are about to reply saying that I'm a nut / softie for having the idea that STO PvP can be a "friendly" experience. If I am really in the minority about basic common dignity, then I'm already out of words.
It is not just the nature of the game or pvp. This is a problem with internet anonymity. People do and say things out here they would normally not do if they had to actually face the person. This is why internet bullying is such a big topic these days. There is no real solution at the moment except /ignore.

Another thing that might help change this, is when MMO companies have had enough of it because of lost subs that they step in and start cancelling trouble makers accounts. In other words sacrifice the few for the many. Or mmos companies become compelled by new laws to step in more often which, costs companies a ton in support costs answering such complaints about user behavior. Then you might start seeing people behave more civil in light that they are more likely to lose their account for acting like a jerk.

Any way. Just remember you are dealing with all kinds out there. The kid in the basement to the 45 year old unemployed man angry at the world type to the person who is an ELITE player who thinks he has Mad skills in an mmo. (psst don't ever tell them there is really no such thing as skills in an mmo but rather just a way to build a better mouss trap or they get upset. He who has better equipment often wins...) Just let them think that using an elephant gun to kill a mouse is l33t and enjoy the game the best you can. It is your 15.00 dollars a month, don't let some jerk ruin it for you.
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# 13
10-15-2010, 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ISS Voyager
Greetings

Id like to bring up a sensitive subject that I believe is necessary to improving STO, and that's the bad attitude many players exhibit in PvP.
Firstly, let me say this: I am not bringing this up to complain about game balance, bridge powers, load-out, nerfing, or any game mechanic; this has nothing to do with winning or losing. Both Fed and Kling players are guilty of totally horrible gloating and mean-spirited chats when they win.

It doesn't matter how a game goes; 1 player defeating 5 others over and over again does not give them justification to spew terrible insults and degradations through the chat zone. Additionally, a player who loses does not have the right to chat mean things back at the other team. Such things aren't responsible, they aren't positive, and they turn a game into a bullying-field. I was shocked to hear (read) some of the things that players have typed as they "gloated." I was embarrassed to be playing the same game as them. If a player gets blown up in 10 seconds, he/she doesn't need to be told that he isn't as good as the others. Degradation only drives such new/casual players away. Imaginary space ships blowing up is not the same as a human being telling you that you are stupid/suck/ineffective/etc.

I think the game, the community, and every other PvP faucet of STO will improve massively if players simply stop being bullies.


I'm sure somebody here - perhaps even all of you = are about to reply saying that I'm a nut / softie for having the idea that STO PvP can be a "friendly" experience. If I am really in the minority about basic common dignity, then I'm already out of words.
No your not a nut but its just simply internet bullies who hide behind a screen talking junk because they can, because they know if they tride any of that in real life they get hurt , lol in other words some one would shut the mouth for them, there a few adults doing it but mostly kids just block them cause there parents havent tought them any better and there headed for a hard life and will find out the hard way, me i just block them hehehehehehe
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# 14
10-15-2010, 09:45 AM
I don't think you're a softie or a nut. I would also like a friendly, competitive environment.

However, I long ago gave up hope of encountering friendly behavior online. I turn off chat when playing alone, and when playing with friends we simply dish it back.
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# 15
10-15-2010, 09:45 AM
In worst case you can just turn off zone chat, unfortunately that doesn't really solve the problem.

During the beginning of the game, there was a fleet that would go out of their way to prove their superiority. Even though they were obviously better than everyone else they flaunted it. As a result, people hated them with a passion. It's because of that that most fleets now are humble in victory and have ettiquite with the whole "gl hf" and "gg" saying, as well as general courtesies not to occuse the other team of cheating them under the table (because they can't)

Most of the ****talking occurs when someone gets rofl-stomped. Either people can't take the loss and complain about it being unfair or people can't take the victory and brag about it. Either way it quickly degenerates into the annoying pvp talk that you hear. Some people are better at taking a comment than others.

I'd like to think that I don't smack talk, and for the most part I don't. But when I know the other person can take a joke I'll brag and laugh it off with them. If played tactfully it can add a great experience to the game. Unfortunately most people ignore the tact.
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# 16
10-15-2010, 10:18 AM
I'm usually one of the silent players. I might or might call targets sometimes if certain ships seem much squishier than others, but usually the only thing I say is "gg" at the end.

The thing is that the people most likely to be offended are usually the ones who don't deserve it. If a player actually is hacking, why would they care what you think about them doing it? But the guy who struggled until he perfected something which is tough to defend against is likely to get upset, because he worked hard to do it, and understands how he might be stopped if his opponent put in as much effort.
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# 17
10-15-2010, 10:56 AM
Just use the ignore feature. Really. It is sooo effective at making PVP a nicer place. Its also strangely amusing to see one sided arguments in zone chat.
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# 18
10-15-2010, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fewzz View Post
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I kill many feds in pvp , some take it good some take it bad.

Many situations happen in Pvp , its part and parcel of the game , here two examples:

I confronted one fed cruiser , we eneded up on our own and it was a longish fight , i eventually won (after realising i had power set to speed lol).

Anyways the fed player said 'great battle' and we congratulated each other.

Later that night , same thing happened with another player , but another fed player turned up , i held as long as i could , i did see klinks taking a cap so i led them away , me and these two feds fought for no more then a few minutes but our team was able to take a cap , but i was out of heals etc and the two feds beating on me , i decided job was done and got out of there.

Then the usual chat started ' i hate cowards that run!' , 'thought klinks had honour!' this set the tone for the rest of the match. (incidently i said simply in return 'lets do a private one on one and go from there' i then refrained to say anymore in chat even with there constant moaning. (he didnt take my offer up btw lol)
The thing I hate the most in C&H is when a team of 5 decides to attack me alone, just because I am within 20 km of them, not even near a point. It just kinda ticks me off. I've started leaving fair fights alone, like 1v1 or 2v2, only interfering when the numbers are in my opposing team's favor. As for Arena, the goal is to kill, so I usually just shrug it off if I end up on the wrong side of a 3v1.

As for Ker'rat, that's where I really blow up (unfortunately, both figuratively and in-game literally). I've found that Klingons usually decloak in groups when you are alone, just griefing you with a 3v1 while you are fighting the Borg, and then they cloak after you die. I just find that it really makes the game annoying and not fun. Yeah, it's open PvP, but do you absolutely need to do that? I'm fine with 1 BoP decloaking and attacking me. Fine, you kill me, whatever. 5 BoPs decloaking, and what's the point? I hate 5v1s, even when I am one of the 5. It is just boring, because there is no challenge. Of course you are going to die; there are 5 of us and 1 of you. Your RSP might save you for a few seconds, but you will die or run.

My biggest issue is the spawn-killing in Ker'rat that certain Klingons like to do. Warp in, immediately get attacked by 3 Klingons, with no chance to run, even with Aux2ID, APO, EM, and an engine battery on an escort, because the BoP can outrun you with EM and 75 engine power. So I die. Respawn, rinse and repeat! WTF??? The game mechanic makes it impossible to leave the system when you are being attacked, so you are stuck in Ker'rat until those dirty spawn-killing Klingons get bored.

By the way, I have 2 Klingons, and I know that not all Klingons do this, but t seems to be a trend with most Klingons wearing a fleet tag (I'm thinking of one in particular...).
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# 19 greetings
10-15-2010, 12:10 PM
I usually start matches off by saying Hi to my friends or those I have battled regularly.
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# 20
10-15-2010, 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxrocks
Just use the ignore feature. Really. It is sooo effective at making PVP a nicer place. Its also strangely amusing to see one sided arguments in zone chat.

If there has ever been an ideal way to learn of the problems with your very own solutions, it usually involves looking back to history and what examples they have provided. I can think of one such solution that closely resembles your own, something that turned out to be a catastrophic failure. If anyone has caught on, I speak of the Maginot Line built by france prior to World War two. It was a powerful defense, to which the Germans could not easily go through it. Their solution? They went around it.

The same can happen here. If the insults they share with you cease to be effective by their power alone, then you could very well suffer for electing to simply ignore them. By doing such, not only are you no longer able to hear them, but additionally you can no longer hear the slanderous comments they seek to spread in your elected ignorance. In a short time much can go wrong....to which you may never know why, simply because you elected to ignore the problem.
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