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# 11
10-18-2010, 11:14 AM
meh if the feds get a carrier then the rommies, spoon heads, undine and every other faction that turns playable should get one (Undine!!!!!!)
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# 12
10-18-2010, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipermist

Maybe my klingon didn't ask nicely for information from the breen like a federation would do.
Maybe he went into his prison cells and beat the other two breen to death infront of tran and made him talk.
Uh.... I would've liked that option after the first time I failed the question game.:p
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# 13
10-18-2010, 11:30 AM
/Signed. Federation gets everything on a silver platter without regard to balance of sensibility most times. Federation has never nor should ever have a carrier. If somebody wants one that bad they can fly a shuttle into pvp and "protect" the cruisers.
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# 14
10-18-2010, 12:30 PM
I agree that the Federation should not get a carrier for the following reasons:

1) The Klingons are already losing a lot of what makes them unique. We've lost cloak exclusivity (which would, admittedly, be lost when the Romulans are eventually introduced)...we've lost the universal slot with the Nebula...and all that's currently left that make us different are a measly 8 faction-specific episodes and the carriers.

2) It's not a Federation thing. They've had like ONE dedicated carrier ship, and it's in the game already...as an ESCORT. If they REALLY want a carrier, let them launch shuttlecraft. Starfleet really doesn't use fighters.

Once we (inevitably) lose the exclusive rights to carriers, Cryptic might as well just scrap the KDF as almost everything we have would be handed to the Fedrats on a silver platter.

I cried out when the Galaxy-X was introduced with a cloak because we were losing something that made us special. The Fed care bears got their new toy (and apparently aren't very happy with it based on various threads and posts). It often times feels like Federation players are spoiled children who always get what they want because they cry and whine for it...and daddy Cryptic always gives in and gives them what they want. Then they get bored with it and toss it in the garbage.
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# 15
10-18-2010, 02:22 PM
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Actually I think the "No fed carrier" goes back more to the KDF being the 2nd class faction angst and the feds seeming to get all they ask for feeling, than anything else. It is hard to have a sense of uniqueness and self-identity when evrything keeps popping up on the otherside.
I don't actually know when the after-cloak attack bonus was removed, but I think it was added with the big balance patch (1.2, right? Oh man, it feels like an eternity and it was this year!).

I don't know who wouldn't Orion Bikinis. Maybe female players. But they get bare-chested Orions for that.

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Dont even start with that BS.
You did.

The rate of content that is added to the game is pretty steady. There has been KDF content, there has been Fed content. The KDF will never be treated as a prefered faction getting that much more attention then the Federation side. The KDF got 8 storyline missions, both factions got 5 faction-agnostic storyline missions, and the Federation got diplomacy content (which seems to boil down to a lot of text but no more mission scripting, artwork assets or maps then was required for the 8 KDF missions.)

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This is just plain laziness on the part of cryptic in allowing klingons to do federation weekly episodes. The missions are identical in every way except for a walls of text. That is not klingon.
It's not? The space and ground combat system is not different between the factions, so all the content difference lies in those walls of text, and maybe the occassional enemy ship. (Like it is implemented in the newest episode, "Skirmish".)

In the end, the lack of ships for the KDF side can never be a reason why the Federation doesn't get a certain ship type. All that gets you is that you never get new ships because "you already got your special thing". I don't want that. Maybe Carriers are cool these days, but I want more ship costumes, more materials, more ship types for the KDF. Whether the Feds ever get Carriers or not is irrelevant to me and should be irrelevant to Cryptic for the decision to add more KDF ships.
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# 16
10-18-2010, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vipermist
Dont even start with that BS.

klingons have only ever wanted equal content, and although it wont happen the thing that annoys the hell out of us is that federation content still comes out with more stuff at a faster rate even though klingon content is not even 1/5th of what federation has, cryptic continues to push out more federation content and increase the gap even further. Hence we see the excelsior and nebula come out before the Klingon ships even though feds already had intrepid refit, galaxy r refit, galaxy X and defiant refit.



Klingon exploration missions are mostly broken, you cant scan to find stuff , npcs sometimes don't spawn and the random generation is utterly fail because its not really random at all. From the first 2 seconds i warp into the map i instantly can tell what type of mission it will be. These aren't really fun to play, especially the ground parts. And feds got diplomacy missions and the fixes to crafting and the implentation of mini games on top of their already massive amount of stuff.

Besides the whole klingons cry for more PVE content wasn't really from the klingon players but the STO community in general
, even before the game was out the community was up in arms over a PVP only faction.



This is just plain laziness on the part of cryptic in allowing klingons to do federation weekly episodes. The missions are identical in every way except for a walls of text. That is not klingon.

Maybe my klingon didn't ask nicely for information from the breen like a federation would do.
Maybe he went into his prison cells and beat the other two breen to death infront of tran and made him talk.

Hopefully when UGC comes out we will get some proper Klingon missions.



Game balance changes has nothing to do with content.



Point i was making is that feds get everything both in cstore and game content and not only are they not happy with what they have. They then start taking klingon stuff also like universal bo slots , cloak and merc outfits. And now they want carriers too.

As a great man once said.

Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far and no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!
Wow some klinks just cant stop *****ing. Devs have already said they wont be releasing a carrier for the federation.
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# 17
10-18-2010, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Nerubian_Assasin1
Wow some klinks just cant stop *****ing. Devs have already said they wont be releasing a carrier for the federation.
And how many promises has Cryptic made that they decide to change their minds on? We have a right to " ***** ".

EDIT: I mean for the game in general. It's just that the Klingons feel it the most.
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# 18
10-18-2010, 03:04 PM
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I agree that the Federation should not get a carrier for the following reasons:

1) The Klingons are already losing a lot of what makes them unique. We've lost cloak exclusivity (which would, admittedly, be lost when the Romulans are eventually introduced)...we've lost the universal slot with the Nebula...and all that's currently left that make us different are a measly 8 faction-specific episodes and the carriers.

2) It's not a Federation thing. They've had like ONE dedicated carrier ship, and it's in the game already...as an ESCORT. If they REALLY want a carrier, let them launch shuttlecraft. Starfleet really doesn't use fighters.

Once we (inevitably) lose the exclusive rights to carriers, Cryptic might as well just scrap the KDF as almost everything we have would be handed to the Fedrats on a silver platter.

I cried out when the Galaxy-X was introduced with a cloak because we were losing something that made us special. The Fed care bears got their new toy (and apparently aren't very happy with it based on various threads and posts). It often times feels like Federation players are spoiled children who always get what they want because they cry and whine for it...and daddy Cryptic always gives in and gives them what they want. Then they get bored with it and toss it in the garbage.
LOL we get ONE..>ONE MEASLY universal BO slot and look at the stink it raises. Where as your BOP gets all universal BO slots. I can take one hegh'tah BOP and set it up properly and pretty much walk over any fed escort currently in existence and even give their cruisers a run for the money or even kill them on the odd ocassion. Also show me a fed ship that has 2 X LTC bo slots, 1X LT BO slot and 1 Commander BO slot. I ask you, wheres the balance in this?

Now we get the (easy button) carriers all buffed up and all you klinks can do instead of thanking cryptic is call them names.

This is why i pretty much wrote off my two KDF toons, one a LG1 and another a LTC...
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# 19
10-18-2010, 06:00 PM
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I cried out when the Galaxy-X was introduced with a cloak because we were losing something that made us special.
I call this "Snowflake Syndrome".

You need to toughen up, son. The Galaxy X is a terrible ship. Giving it a cloak was the equivalent of giving a one legged dog a ball to play with and then throwing it and yelling, "Fetch!" The Defiant without a cloak just wouldn't be a Defiant. It's not like it's a battle-cloak ffs. And seriously? You're going to complain about the Nebula getting one universal lieutenant slot? Seriously? Have you tried the Nebula?
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# 20
10-18-2010, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mekvar
I call this "Snowflake Syndrome".

You need to toughen up, son. The Galaxy X is a terrible ship. Giving it a cloak was the equivalent of giving a one legged dog a ball to play with and then throwing it and yelling, "Fetch!" The Defiant without a cloak just wouldn't be a Defiant. It's not like it's a battle-cloak ffs. And seriously? You're going to complain about the Nebula getting one universal lieutenant slot? Seriously? Have you tried the Nebula?
I don't really care what you call it, although I do thank you for not calling me an "elitist". Frankly, as long as Klingons continue to get support I really couldn't care less if the Feds get a carrier. They shouldn't (for the reasons that I gave), but I won't be crying foul if (when) they do. As for the universal slot, I was neither for nor against it, but I know that some Klingon players didn't like it.

The cloak, however, I still feel should've remained Klingon-only (at least until the Romulans enter play). As for the Defiant, it has been argued to death. Only ONE Defiant-class ship ever held a cloak, and that was only with Romulan supervision.
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